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Scott W
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: genetic spread sheet Reply with quote

Right, been playing around with a spread sheet to show different outcomes from different breedings.

There's 9 different breedings worked out inc;

Co-doms (pastels & spiders)
Double Hets
Triple Hets

Co-dom to recessive (spider to albino)

Have a look, if anyone can find any mistakes let me know, thanks


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just been through all the sheets and I can't spot anything incorrect with it Smile

Now ... what about albino spider pieds!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toyah wrote:
Just been through all the sheets and I can't spot anything incorrect with it Smile

Now ... what about albino spider pieds!


Albino spider pieds....I'll let you figure that one out Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toyah wrote:
Now ... what about albino spider pieds!


Atleast challenge him a little bit.....

How about a:

Super pastel striped albino spider pied double het for caramel and ivory Laughing

Is it even possible Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol i think scott would have a serious headache after that one!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if anyone is actually trying to figure it out though? nahh, no-one can be that bored surely?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Super pastel striped albino spider pied double het for caramel and ivory


Gee, you can breed those easy - just breed together a pied pastel striped caramel albino to a pied pastel striped ivory spider, and voila, 1/4 of the clutch would be super pastel striped albino sipider pieds het for caramel and ivory Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toyah wrote:
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Super pastel striped albino spider pied double het for caramel and ivory


Gee, you can breed those easy - just breed together a pied pastel striped caramel albino to a pied pastel striped ivory spider, and voila, 1/4 of the clutch would be super pastel striped albino sipider pieds het for caramel and ivory Smile


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: spreadsheet Reply with quote

Scott, the outcome you get in the punnets is basically right, you just do it the wrong way or you write it the wrong way. For example, albino x normal: An albino is homozygous for the mutation, aa, a het has Aa, a normal AA. Now in all cases you see two letters, those stand for two copies of the gene in the genome. When you make sperm or eggs, there is only one copy in each, both parents contribute half to their offspring. Now I know you probably know this, but that is what you put in the squares, the possible copies each parent can contribute
So, for albino x normal, it is aa x AA, the albino contributes an a or an a, the normal A or A
A A
a aA aA
a aA aA
het x het makes Aa xAa, or to put it in a square
A a
A AA Aa
a Aa aa
one albino, one normal, two hets
Luckily you did start to do that in later squares
Another thing I don't find correct is the use of normal (N) for instance in spider x albino. Spider is a dominant mutation, so you could use an S, but the normal gene would then be s, same gene, but inherits recessive compared to the dominant mutation.
So, spider normal would be SsAA, albino would be ssaa
sa sa sa sa
SA SsAa SaAa SsAa SsAa
sA ssAa ssAa ssAa ssAa
SA SaAa SsAa SsAa SsAa
sA ssAa ssAa ssAa SsAa
So, like you said 50% spider (Ss), 50% normal (ss), all het for albino (Aa)
but this would be the correct way to calculate that
I now this looks a bit like nitpicking, but if you know the correct way to calculate these things and why you do it in such a way you can easily calculate any combination of mutations.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers Ron, very helpful. As I said in an earlier post I wasn't too sure how to lay out the genes etc
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