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Ali
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: A good first time snake? Reply with quote

My OH is very keen on reptiles and is interested in having a pet snake(s)or a lizard(s). Neither of us know much about keeping snakes or lizards so if this were to be a possibility we would have to do a lot of research, which is why I've joined here.

The only problem is that I am a keen rat keeper. While I have absolutely no problem with the idea of feeding snakes/reptiles rodents, I know that I would find it really difficult. So my question is, are there any varieties of non-rodent eating snakes or reptiles which would be suitable for first time snake/reptile owners?

Thank you for your help.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, only non rodent eating snake i can think of is an egg eating snake, which eats(yup you've guessed it) only eggs. But i don't really know what they are like as first time snakes...so umm...not much help really! Sorry! Embarassed Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could get Rough Green Snakes if you dont want to feed mice. They eat crickets but personally feeding mice is better - less mess/smell. You can store your frozen mice in the freezer, defrost when needed as opposed to keeping noisy crickets that stink and escape all over your house. I would recommend a Corn Snake as a first snake, get a hatchling and feed it defrosted pinkie mice (new born).
Alternately a Leopard Gecko is a good starter reptile but again the crickets.
I keep Leos and Corns as well as other species, they are friendly and have good character.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garter snakes can be fed a staple diet of fish, and will readily accept other things like lean mince, earthworms, slugs.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garter, Ribbon and Water snakes can be fed a staple diet of fish, and will readily accept other things like lean mince, earthworms, slugs.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't kept them myself, but I have heard rough greens and egg eaters can be quite tricky. I think Daisyleo on here keeps egg eaters? Maybe she could advise.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJ wrote:
Garter, Ribbon and Water snakes can be fed a staple diet of fish, and will readily accept other things like lean mince, earthworms, slugs.


I wouldn't recommend garter snakes are given a stable diet of fish, if they were it'd have to fresh fish and they'd need a vitamin supplement as well. Many garter and ribbon snakes that are fed only fish and earthworms eventually suffer from vitamin deficency. In the wild these snakes would eat amphibians but in captivity the best thing to do is get them to accept mice with a vitamin supplement added regulary.
You used to be able to buy frozen cubes of processed food for garter snakes but it's been discontinued I think.

Rough and Smooth green snakes eat crickets and other insects but I wouldn't recommend them for beginners as many that are seen in shops are wild caught and don't last long.

Egg eating snakes I think need to be fed fertile eggs so you'd need to have someone that breeds budgies, finches or quail (depending on the size of the snake) near you.

Wanting to avoid rodents is very limiting in snake keeping especially for beginners snakes. All the best beginners ones eat rodents I'm afraid but if you decide to go for one I'd also recommend a corn snake.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a couple, but they need extra efforts to keep them. A well-researched and prepared beginners can probably take them on, but a lot of them just don't last that long.

- Water snakes such as garter snakes are very nippy and need dry land.
- Egg-eating snakes must be fed quail or finch eggs, which sometimes can be hard to find, although my friend never had to find fertile ones
- Rough Greens are display animals and are fussy eaters

The only thing that come to mind are blind snakes or legless lizards (although they are not true snakes).

You know... you don't have to kill the mouse. You can always buy f/t ones, just ask the breeder or pet store to feed it with a thawed mouse. If it accept it, then you know that you can take it home without having to worry about a fresh pre-killed.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kioka wrote:

- Water snakes such as garter snakes are very nippy and need dry land.
- Egg-eating snakes must be fed quail or finch eggs, which sometimes can be hard to find, although my friend never had to find fertile ones
- Rough Greens are display animals and are fussy eaters


Three very sweeping generalisations...and should be taken as one persons opinion and not as fact. I have kept or worked with species of all three of the snakes mentioned above with success, and know people that have bred all of them.

Probably the trickiest as stated would be the egg eating snakes (Dasypeltis sp.) due to their diet, however if you can find a supplier of small eggs, such as quails or finches, their husbandry is fairly easy. Eggs can be mail ordered and even bought off ebay now.

Garter/ribbon snakes are now kept well in captivity, the intial misconception of them being nippy comes, as with many snakes tarnished with the same brush, from when large numbers of wild caught individuals used to enter the pet trade. Captive bred snakes can now be sourced and will make great captives. Other freshwater snakes such as Natrix sp and Nerodia sp are not kept as frequently.

Rough green snakes sadly are still more commonly seen wild caught as few people have had success breeding them in captivity, however it has been done! I have never really seen them being fussy eating if they have been wormed and de-parasitised sufficiently, but wc do have a habit of dying unexpectedly. However they are great snakes and look fantastic in a well planted diurnal vivarium.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't recommend garter snakes are given a stable diet of fish, if they were it'd have to fresh fish and they'd need a vitamin supplement as well. Many garter and ribbon snakes that are fed only fish and earthworms eventually suffer from vitamin deficency.


Thats fair enough. I raised mine on supplemented whole fish, white bait, small herring and pieces of trout which made up quite a bit of their diet. I also used worms, slugs, mince, chicken and a few other things. I rarely used pinks or fuzzys and all grew and seemed to do well before i sold them on.
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