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crocdoc
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how many days is normal for her between mating and laying? Seems like a long time if she didn't lay until the end of January (if they mated at around the same time as this year).

How was the hatch rate? I noticed you have holes in the egg box, do you use a wet incubator?

Sorry for all of the questions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

best of luck Gordon, thanks for the update.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Gordon, thanks for the info!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crocdoc wrote:
how many days is normal for her between mating and laying? Seems like a long time if she didn't lay until the end of January (if they mated at around the same time as this year).

How was the hatch rate? I noticed you have holes in the egg box, do you use a wet incubator?

Sorry for all of the questions.



To be honest, last year was the first time I bred them and both me and the monitors were on a steep learning curve. Last year the male had been trying to mate from around September time but the female didn't show any interest untill mid November. Mating then went on well into December, so I can't really be sure when ovulation would of taken place.

This year it was an all round more proffesional affair on the part of the monitors. The male didn't bother the female untill the beginning of November, she accepted his advances starting on the 24th and all mating was over by the first week of December. Given the above, I would estimate it to be around seven to eight weeks between ovulation and egg laying.

As for last years hatch rate, most of the eggs were slugs, four looked ok but two of them collapsed after seven days and of the remaining two one died just before hatching due to a deformed spine and the last one hatched in june and is currently eating everything in sight.

Re the holes in my hatching box; I started putting holes in all my egg boxes about five years ago. I find I getter a better hatch rate, stronger neonates, and less non feeders this way. The box goes into a dry incubator and the vermiculite is checked several times a week and gets sprayed if it is drying out. If the eggs are live and the vermiculite is moist, they don't collapse, plus I don't have drops of condensation dripping onto my eggs all the time.
I don't think the holes are so important at the start of incubation but as the babies develope they must need more and more oxygen to live and grow and certainly in the last few weeks before hatching oxygen absorbed through the egg shell must be close to what hatchlings require once hatched. If you think about it, no one (hopefully) would put 20 to 30 hatchling snakes into a small, sealed plastic box and expect them to live for days on end only using what ever air is trapped in the box and no where in nature does a mother reptile leave her eggs in an air tight container to hatch.
Just my theories but they do seem to work for me.

Gordon
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott W wrote:
best of luck Gordon, thanks for the update.


Cheers Scot.

How you doing with those cockroaches?

Gordon
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Essex wrote:
Scott W wrote:
best of luck Gordon, thanks for the update.


Cheers Scot.

How you doing with those cockroaches?

Gordon


Not too bad, forgot about them for while and when I rediscovered them they looked great Laughing Not used any for feeding yet, just building up the numbers.

Thanks again for them Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott W wrote:
Essex wrote:
Scott W wrote:
best of luck Gordon, thanks for the update.


Cheers Scot.

How you doing with those cockroaches?

Gordon


Not too bad, forgot about them for while and when I rediscovered them they looked great Laughing Not used any for feeding yet, just building up the numbers.

Thanks again for them Wink


LOL, they do seem bomb proof. Too dry and too wet are the only things that seem to bother them.
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