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Pyrockat
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| Actually, most of the people I know keeping marine tropicals did just that. Its quite an old myth that you need to start with a freshwater tank. With the increasing availability of captive-bred marine fish and the increases in technology and research about the ocean, its quite possible to keep marine tropicals before you start with freshwater...the key is in doing bucketloads of research before you start. It might not be quite as simple but its far from impossible. And not choosing things like butterflyfishes and other delicate ones. Royals might not be the easiest species to start with, but I doubt their one of the most challenging. Most people recommend them as good second snakes. |
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Peter Parrot
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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The old chestnut about starter species is , I think, thoroughly discussed here; http://www.captivebred.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4645
Personally, I don`t go for the "Starter species" idea. Why should somebody keep a corn snake or a leopard gecko if they have no interest in doing so? It`s a recipe for failure surely.
If someone has a genuine interest in a species, and do their research thoroughly and start with healthy strong stock, then most species should be within the realms of husbandry capabilities for the person of average intelligence. I am not saying people should go out and buy a Boelen`s python for their first snake but it really doesn`t have to be a corn, unless that is of course the person actually wants to keep one.
As has been said, as far as Royals go, do your research, find a reputable breeder, don`t cut any corners and all should be plain sailing. 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Peter Parrot wrote: |
Personally, I don`t go for the "Starter species" idea. Why should somebody keep a corn snake or a leopard gecko if they have no interest in doing so? It`s a recipe for failure surely.
As has been said, as far as Royals go, do your research, find a reputable breeder, don`t cut any corners and all should be plain sailing. |
BINGO do your research, find a reputable breeder, don`t cut any corners and all should be plain sailing; that can be said for 90% of available CB reptiles
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Pyrockat
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The Eggman wrote: | | Pyrockat wrote: | | Most people recommend them as good second snakes. |
Yes mate.. thats exactly what I was recommending them as.. second snakes.
Its up to you how you do it at the end of the day though, so if you want to do the research and then go for it then thats completely up to you. Just giving you my opinion on the matter. |
Thats my point though. Most would recommend marine tropicals as fish to keep after you've had freshwater tropicals, or fresh coldwater. But that doesnt necessarily mean its the case, as long as you do the research, which I have done quite a bit of. I know you're only giving me your opinion, as I am a doing with you...I'm just wondering if there's something I may have missed besides the potential feeding problems and keeping the humidity at a decent level. Hence asking. |
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Peter Parrot
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The Eggman wrote: | So what would you say to a person who's sole desire is to take on green anaconda, or blood python.. but has no interest in any other snake?
Would you recommend that they get one without any prior experience of reptile keeping as long as they had done sufficient research? |
I would suggest, as has already been said, that if a person is genuinely interested in a species that they should thoroughly research that specie`s requirements , seek out a few breeders, visit them, see husbandry practice first hand also if they think it neccessary, and then if they are still interested and confident that they can supply the conditions needed by that species, look into doing so.
Far better that than to be forced into keeping a species that they have absolutely no interest in whatsoever just because the majority say that they should do so, that species also being only marginally more forgiving of husbandry errors. Lack of interest means likely husbandry errors. A genuine keen interest in a species means attention to detail is likely to be the case, and therefore husbandry errors are far less likely.
I notice that you have gone straight to the extremes such as mentioning the largest snake species on the planet.  It is hardly likely to be the case that somebody would want a green anaconda for a first snake. Let`s stay real.
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Peter Parrot
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyrockat wrote: |
I'm just wondering if there's something I may have missed besides the potential feeding problems and keeping the humidity at a decent level. Hence asking. |
For a snake to do well, as well as all the other elements in the equation that you have rightly mentioned, it is very important that the animal feels secure enough to feed. So hides placed so that the animal can hide away at a comfortable temperature are mandatory, especially with Royals. They like to feel snug in a hide, with their coils ideally touching either side of the inside of the hide.
It sounds like you are doing your research thoroughly with a good dose of common sense thrown in. I would say go for it.
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NNY
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| There seems to be a lot of confliction into whether royals are ok to start with or not.. I ended up buying myself a pair after only keeping kings and corns and tbh I haven't had a problem... they haven't missed a feed and shed well. They are ok for beginner snakes if you don't mind not seeing them much and don't mind not handling them often. Yeah you may have feeding problems but from what it seems these problems are mainly in WC or CF and rarely in CB. I may be wrong with that but it just seems to be the pattern imo. |
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Peter Parrot
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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I would say the largest snake on the planet is pretty much about as extreme as you can get but never mind! 
Yes looks like his mind is made up. I am sure though that if he can keep Marine fish successfully that he will manage a few Royals.
Tim, yes I think that you hit the nail on the head, and that for a beginner at least, if they are going for a Royal then by far the best option would be a captivebred animal.
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Pyrockat
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone, I'm starting to look into local breeders now  .
Oh, I'm a she, btw. |
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Peter Parrot
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 Sorry! Lady snake keepers often make the best. Let us know how you get on.
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