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rachel132002
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Cheers Scott. I'm thinking now it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other with some seeing the price crashes as terrible and others a bonus, i guess the downside is that if you paid out £3K for something last year and it's now £1500 then that has the downside BUT then again next year it may be breedable and say they're down to £1K if you produce visuals or hets you should still make back what you spent and maybe a bit more as it puts more people into the position to buy morphs but then you look at forums such as RDR and people seem to HATE MKR because they price slash and is that because it's bad in general or due to conerns for their wallet above all else?!
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kingcobra
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i can forsee the prices for some of the super-morphs dropping even lower, not just because there is a limited market, but because there is now competition from dwarf varieties of hitherto restrictively large snakes becoming available, and even "super dwarf" varieties,some with attractive morphs available too, i know it can be argued that they are still very expensive, but then again aren't the royal super-morphs?
what is interesting to note is that many who claim that there will be no adverse affect on the market value of royal morphs sometimes appear to have a vested interest in the perpetuation of high prices, this is of course understandable, as they may have invested considerable financial outlay and devoted much time to their project, and the thought of maybe not even "breaking even" or even making a loss, would be rather worrying. 
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Scott W
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| kingcobra wrote: | i can forsee the prices for some of the super-morphs dropping even lower, not just because there is a limited market, but because there is now competition from dwarf varieties of hitherto restrictively large snakes becoming available, and even "super dwarf" varieties,some with attractive morphs available too, i know it can be argued that they are still very expensive, but then again aren't the royal super-morphs?
what is interesting to note is that many who claim that there will be no adverse affect on the market value of royal morphs sometimes appear to have a vested interest in the perpetuation of high prices, this is of course understandable, as they may have invested considerable financial outlay and devoted much time to their project, and the thought of maybe not even "breaking even" or even making a loss, would be rather worrying. |
Good point about the other dwarf snakes, ie Burmese and the retics, although compared to balls they will never be as small or predicatble in behaviour.
Not too sure who is claiming there will be no adverse effect on the market value, most are openly admitting that prices have come down. The difference is that many of us see it as a good thing and just helping the market actually grow to an affordable level.
I think the 'super morph' prices are probably gone, i.e. the $50'000 snakes but not because of the 'fear' in the market but probably more down to trust...Did the man offering that $50k 'unique' snake have more than one? etc
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SteveL
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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im not being funny but who the feck would pay $50 k on a royal python
i cannot understand it, they are renowned for being bad feeders, imagine buying a £50k snake and it doesnt feed for you lmfao big mistake
dead house  !!!!!!
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rachel132002
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But ridiculous money has got some of the big breeders where they are now i mean people such as ralph davis must've spent shed loads especially on his 'platty daddy' and look what thats thrown for him - its those spend outs that keep them laughing because they've paid off BIG TIME he's now selling platty daddy sooo lord knows what for - wonder if he'd take a tenner?
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GJ
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | im not being funny but who the feck would pay $50 k on a royal python
i cannot understand it, they are renowned for being bad feeders, imagine buying a £50k snake and it doesnt feed for you lmfao big mistake
dead house !!!!!!
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I really cannot see somebody spending that much on a snake(unless they have plenty of money) which is intended as a pet.
Although they make good captives, this is a shy snake which will hide away all day, therefore it makes a poor display animal. |
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Scott W
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| GJ wrote: | | Quote: | im not being funny but who the feck would pay $50 k on a royal python
i cannot understand it, they are renowned for being bad feeders, imagine buying a £50k snake and it doesnt feed for you lmfao big mistake
dead house !!!!!!
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I really cannot see somebody spending that much on a snake(unless they have plenty of money) which is intended as a pet.
Although they make good captives, this is a shy snake which will hide away all day, therefore it makes a poor display animal. |
Quite a few people have spent $20'000 on ball pythons in the UK, I'm guessing loads more have in the USA. Not too sure how many $50k snakes have been sold, many have been swapped etc. I'm sure we have a forum member on here who was offered over $200'000 for a new morph hatched here in the UK.
Pete Kahl has become a millionaire from the Pied Ball python morph alone! (although the originals weren't anywhere near $50k).
Of course NO-ONE is going to spend large sums like these on just 'pet' animals, the same as top race horses or pedigree dogs fetch outrageous amounts compared to their 'normal' going rate. That's why the word 'investment' has been associated with the ball morphs, you buy the best or newest morph hoping that you will get a return on your investment, many people have and still will but others have failed and will be out of pocket.
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T.Exeter
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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The Ball market is stronger than ever.
Now the morphs are coming down in price(and they will continue to do so)there will be an insatiable appetite for these COOL snakes.
Scott is right,demand will out strip supply,all the people getting in on the scene now are embarking on a wild ride.
All the highs and lows that come with this particular python just add to it's appeal.
Good luck everyone with the impending breeding season.
I would love to see another UK first this season,Eric and rays gifts to the Ball world were outstanding and had the Americans jumping through hoops to get them. |
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Stevec
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As I said on another Forum with the same topic, I think you can quite easily slip up as these are not the easiest species to keep and breed. I will definately stick to the Boelens   |
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