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arborgoanna · Contributing Member Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 128

While I myself am not a supporter of hybridizing animals, especially ones where the pure species themselves have not been bred with any frequency or regularity, I thought that I'd post the link to some photos of a subadult hybrid V. prasinus x beccarii, for those of you interested in seeing what it looks like.

What are your thoughts on hybridization? I'd love to hear what some of you have to say.

http://www.goannafan.com/departments/treemonitors/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41

Peter Parrot · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

Thankyou for sharing that with us. Interesting.

In answer to your question, I myself find Hybridisation of any species, whether intentional or otherwise, to be very much the wrong road to take. Unnatural selection as opposed to natural selection. There is nothing about the subject which sits comfortably with me at all. To me it is yet again just one more example of the Human specie`s meddling and interfering with nature. Mankind assuming that he can improve on millions of years of evolution, and what for? Novelty value or monetry gain.

I will shut up now! Laughing

I am afraid that the subject is one of my age old gripes. Wink

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Nelson · Key Member Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 318

I have to say hybridizing doesn't bother me because I'd like to think the real gems (pure species) are living where they should- in the wild, and not displayed in someones living room.

Also, inbreeding. To keep such small stocks (as we have in the UK) pure a certain amount of inbreeding must take place. Like any pure bred animal this can cause problems, and I for one would rather have a healthy mongrel than a weak pure breed.

Shawdow · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject:

Hey Bob,

Thanks for sharing that link. I, personally, would have to say that I absolutely disagree with hybridization. I don't like it at all. Why cross a species thats already beautiful? Was it lack of not having the opposite sex of a certain animal? Cause that seems to me just being plain ol' lazy and impatient. The problem is, that certain individuals will see this and think "oh, well he can cross them, so why don't I?" Then it gets to the point where everyone begins crossing, and then to the untrained eye, that person won't be able to tell the difference between a V. prasinusXbecarri and a V. prasinus. Then the market gets flooded with what is supposed to be a pure "V. prasinus" when its really a cross.

I guess I'm just thinking way down the road, as there has been limited success in hatching tree monitors, but its just thought. As you all have seen, it has happened with the gouldi complex, and acanthurus. I am starting to see others hybridize Rhacodactylus species, and who knows about Leapord gecko's these days. And ball pythons? Its just getting out of hand. Sorry if I just babbled, and thought to far ahead, but its just my opinion.

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johne.ev · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject:

I have to agree with Adrian, why spoil an already beautifull species?

Scott W · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:59 am Post subject:

I have to agree with you both Adrian & Peter, I find Hybridization itself interesting and some of the species that have been crossed is just mind blowing but they will always end up mixed back into the pure stock. If there was a way of completely stopping this mixing, then perhaps it wouldn't bother me so much.
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Nelson · Key Member Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 318

I suppose I look at it slightly differently to you guys. A hybrid means captive bred, and that means less impact on the wild population. I'd happily own a hybrid, just not breed from it. Just enjoy it for what it is.

baloo · Key Member Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 228

hi bob
didn't know u havea forum
i gonna go and have a good read as i'm a big monitor fan.
maybe i will even keep some one day
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thomas mcpherson · CaptiveBred Addict! Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 613

what species is the mother and what species is father

arborgoanna · Contributing Member Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 128

That's a good question which I do not know the answer to. I will have to ask next time I talk to the individual who posted the photos.