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Dan
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 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott W wrote: | fighting for what you believe in is fine, everyone has to accept different opinions etc but my first post was there to give an example of the fact they are fighting for what they don't even know about, so how can they have an opinion?
This RSPCA representative should of been expelled from the meeting and the RSPCA banned from attending anymore.
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Whats the general public's opinion on Al Qaeda? And what do they actually know about them?
It is far easier to have an opinion when you dont know the facts or are led to believe half the story is the whole story (not in ref to al qaeda, just a general observation).
Do you honestly think that none of the people that fight for us have made mistakes or entered into a debate they shouldnt have? Mistakes happen, expulsion is not the answer.
| photographymatt wrote: | | dan, I know there only fighting for what "they" belive in..but these antis and animal activists are mostly brainwashed crowd following sheep...*ahem* |
Matt, go look in a mirror. You and everyone else is subjected to constant propagander, you never get the whole story and most people know that but they chose to believe what they are told. There are A LOT of ideas born from the RSPCA and other ANTI's that are more than smart and a lot have helped a lot of animals all over the world. You chose to forget that though when you see the name RSPCA (for example) and take the stance they are all bad all the time, regardless.
| photographymatt wrote: | | Im not sorry for my opinions but I dont mean to offend people, its just how can a group of brainwashed easily led morons have opinions when its been handed to them....its just plain stupid. |
If you were sorry for your opinions there'd be no point having them!!
Just remember you have the opinion that the FBH are doing a great job, who told you that exactly?
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Scott W
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Dan,
All the RSPCA guy needed to do was ask the question in the begining, not waste everybodies time and then ask what it was after argueing about. That's why he should of been chucked out, not because he was RSPCA.
the rest I agree 
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photographymatt
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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dan, didnt you know the al qaeda do flower arranging on tuesdays and help old ladys cross roads.....
if someone on the "for" side made a stupid comment like the rspca man/woman....they would be laughed out of the room...but no, they wouldnt have done that.(dont argue that point mr likes to argue..lol)
I know the rspca have done good, and like I keep saying dan, there are people at the bottom who do good every day...but as this is a reptile based forum..dan....Im talking about the present problem the people at the top are trying to cause people who keep reptiles and other exotics. Dan, will you get a dwa for your retics when it comes into action?
the antis and the animal rights groups are morons..im not shifting on that one. They may do some things that result in good things being done..but that just coincidence. The ends do not justife the means that some of these people use..... Peoples lives have been ruined..people have had their personal property(not just the place they work for) damaged/destroyed, people have had death threats, neighbours been told they are sex offenders etc..and while we are at it dan...peoples remains have been dug up..all in the name of animal rights...these people are morons..and its annoying that they win sometimes..
I havnt said the fbh are doing a great job and I like to belive my opinions are made by me, after looking at all the choices and then I decide. At least the fbh are doing something to help dan....
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Dan
Captivebred Communist
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| photographymatt wrote: | if someone on the "for" side made a stupid comment like the rspca man/woman....they would be laughed out of the room...but no, they wouldnt have done that.(dont argue that point mr likes to argue..lol)
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Call me what you want but i would rather be known as argumentative than sit back and let the pointless blinkered attitude go on uncommented on. People do make mistakes and our mighty saviours have made there fair share of mistakes down the line, if you are so nieve as to think otherwise you should stop now and go back to your animals and your camera.
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I know the rspca have done good, and like I keep saying dan, there are people at the bottom who do good every day...but as this is a reptile based forum..dan....Im talking about the present problem the people at the top are trying to cause people who keep reptiles and other exotics. Dan, will you get a dwa for your retics when it comes into action? |
It isnt the people at the bottom that have made the fundemental changes that have saved animals on mass, it is board decisions on directions to take that has achieved that.
Will i get a DWA? You're damn right i will (if i am still in the UK). Do i think it is right? Nope, it is out of date and being used for the wrong purposes but as it is all we have i will support it until something better comes along (which it inevitably will)
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the antis and the animal rights groups are morons..im not shifting on that one. They may do some things that result in good things being done..but that just coincidence. The ends do not justife the means that some of these people use..... Peoples lives have been ruined..people have had their personal property(not just the place they work for) damaged/destroyed, people have had death threats, neighbours been told they are sex offenders etc..and while we are at it dan...peoples remains have been dug up..all in the name of animal rights...these people are morons..and its annoying that they win sometimes.. |
Shifting or not you are calling people morons who fight for what they believe. The ONLY difference between them and you is they have the power to do things.
I have been involved in herping long enough to know what the anti's have done (but thanks for telling me anyway) but the important thing is i have also been involved long enough to see the problems we deny exist. We are not perfect and things DO need to change. If it werent for these things we would have no problem. You think it's annoying they win sometimes, fair enough but i think them winning every now and again is a bloody good thing. It opens your eyes somewhat and forces changes we would be reluctant to make otherwise.
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I havnt said the fbh are doing a great job and I like to belive my opinions are made by me, after looking at all the choices and then I decide. At least the fbh are doing something to help dan.... |
Finishing your post with some snidey comment is exactly what i would get from the c-view or livefood forums. Furthermore it has been the reply ignorant little upstarts have come up with when they first come on the scene and don't have a clue what they are talking about for the last 5 years or so. You get to ask that question when you know me at all, as it is you have no idea why i can ring every one of the FBH comitee at home for a chat without problems (barring a couple). Nor do you know what i have done in the past or have planned for the future.
If you like to come to your opinions based on all the choices and what YOU know thats great, but you know very little and what you do know is biased. Who exactly is the moronic sheep ?
I'm no anti but i have seen enough of this hobby and the people who are "big" in it to know and accept that they have some valid points that need to be addressed whether the propaganda distributors want you to know it or not. [/quote]
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photographymatt
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dan, im not going to reply to this, because this isnt the place for it. If you wish to argue, find someone else.
No need to be offensive!
regards
matt
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"go back to your animals and your camera" comment was abit childish, belongs in the playground and not on here. |
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Dan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Don't tell me to shush when you have no case to put forward please, it doesnt make you look great. There is no arguement, there is discussion. Why is it when people say something and they are pulled up on it the new person is automatically being argumentative and given such a "warm" reception? Whats so wrong with trying to see both sides of a coin?
If your gonna quote me atleast use the whole sentence so the context can be apreciated please, otherwise i could go around quoting separate letters and words here and there to say you admit you shag sheep because you're a moron  (that was meant as a bit of light humour, pls take it that way)
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Scott W
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Come on boys....no personnal insults please
Remember, your talking about opinions, everybody has them and you have to accept other peoples (agreeing with them is optional )
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photographymatt
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I dont want an arguement but who on earth do you think you are talking to me like that? your like what, 2 years older than me?
I dont mean this to be a post reply meant to annoy you to be rude to me again, but dan...stop acting like your above people. Im not going to say how long I have kept animals(reptile in particular as this is a reptile forum) but Im not new to it, but even if I was......no reason to be like you are. Theres alot of people I know of who have kept animals for many many years and know nothing....theres also a few who have kept them not very long at all and know alot.
can we drop our temp lil b i t ch fest and be civil to each other? theres enough stress to our hobby without petty bickering between me and you:-)
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