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miffikins · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Eublepharis sp.

Hey guys! I was just wondering, at the big european shows like Hamm etc, do any of the subspecies of Eublepharis macularis come up for sale, like:

E.m afghanicus

Or any of the other species in the genus, particularly...E hardwicki and E fuscus

I have been researching them for my thesis and looking into the phylogeny and just wondered if any were available. Would be lovely to have some of the other species and subspecies rather than a bunch of morphs, which I'm not really into.

And just because I'm bored I'll post some pics of my babies Very Happy

No idea on morphs except for Max who is a mack snow. Enjoy!

Lola

Leo climbing...

These 2 are fairly old and they've filled out a bit since then, Lola & Lulu and Leo in the 2nd

Max

Cheers in advance!

Kate

JStroud · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Eublepharis sp.

miffikins · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

Well thats fairly obvious isn't it, I wasn't disputing that Cool

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I was just curious to see if they are kept in the 'pure' forms by hobbyists in Europe having read a few papers which involved various sub-species being loaned off a keeper for a thermal biology paper between Goniurosaurus sp. and Eublepharis macularis. That was all.

Very Happy

JStroud · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject:

Sorry, just re-read that and if it came across as condescending at all it wasn't meant in that way!

What is your study going to be looking at? Your best bet would be the European shows, maybe get in contact with spookje off here as he seems to have been in the gecko game for a while...
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miffikins · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject:

Lol, its ok. I'm not looking to get any time soon, I was just interested for future reference, I particularly love the look of E.hardwicki, maybe in the future Very Happy

My first priority reptile wise is getting hold of an adult female yellow ackie to keep my rescued male company. Nightmare, can't find any Sad

My study is totally daft really. I was supposed to be doing it on environmental enrichment and its affects on the activity budget and enclosure utilisation. But my project supervisor changed it to feeding enrichment, so basically I'm observing their activity around pre-killed insects and livefoods. So far results are as expected, they are more active and eat the livefood and ignore the dead stuff.

The study itself hasnt been that interesting, I just have to collect the data from my 2 juveniles in the next 2 weeks. The research for the introduction was really interesting though. As well as reading up feeding enrichment papers, there are hardly any on reptiles but it was still pretty interesting.

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JStroud · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject:

Theres a captive animal enrichment message group on Yahoo that you may be interested in, with keepers (private and zoological) from all around the world discussing many enrichment ideas. Haven't seen any on reptiles for a long long time...mainly on primates and big cats, actually saying that I haven't been on there in a long time I just read the email notifications!! You should try searching for it on Yahoo groups and asking around, I'll try and find some other details for you Cool

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spookje/ghost · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject:

at the moment we have 2 subspecies, afghanicus and fasciolatus.
a lot off people think that the first mack-snow came from crossing fasciolatus with normals Very Happy

the only problem now a days is that: because more and more people want subspecies, a lot off people will start selling "normals" as a subspecies, only because they have a little bit diffirent colour.
so be VERY careful, when you buy a "subspecies for a lot of money
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miffikins · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject:

Is the care of the different subspecies similar?? I assume they fetch a decent price Shocked

I never actually realised about the number of subspecies until I started researching my thesis and then I got 'The Eyelash Gecko's' by Seufer et al. to have a better look as I couldn't find many pics on the web.

Kate Very Happy

cjreptiles · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:58 am Post subject:

Only rarely see different Eublepharis species or macularius subspecies, and certainly not hardwickii which is pretty much the holy grail for anyone with an interest in different Eublepharis species.

miffikins · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

Typical for me to want the one that one that is impossible to get! Oh well, least I can look at my book Laughing