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[Sean]

Dave you are obviously intent on provocation and seem to have nothing else better to do with your time.

Yes you are correct it is "flaw" but don't worry that's not going to discredited me because of your pettiness it just make you look an OZ'ole


Yes I do think it is possible inbreeding could have an effect on the out come off embryo's dying during incubation and eggs going full term and not hatching if there was something wrong with the founder stock to begin with.

End of discussion

[Sam Sweet]

Way to go, Sean -- you were dead wrong in criticizing Dave's comments, he pointed that out, you don't acknowledge it and instead call him a few names. That's what we call being a churl, don't we now.

I'll repeat the point for you -- "inbreeding" cannot be the cause of incremental decline in reproductive success in repeated matings of the same pair, because the first clutch is F1 and the 12th clutch is still F1. It is quite rare among lab, livestock or pet animals to see significant inbreeding depression crop up in line-bred lineages at less than F8-10. What herp keepers are seeing is "husbandry depression", not inbreeding depression. Given the continued smuggling of Australian monitors, I really doubt that you could find any individuals even of V. acanthurus that are more than F3-4 line-bred, with no outcrossing.

[Sean]

Off course it can, if you take 2 F1 animals that have genetic flaws to begin with these will surely pass on to possibly some of the offspring through the genes they inherit from their parents and ancestors.

What I am saying and clearly Arborgoanna points out that surely nothing good can result in inbreeding generation after generation in the long term unless reptiles have found away to over come this.

Your forgetting that those glauerti for example that keeping producing "bad" eggs to coin it in a nutshell have come from all the same lineage. I am not saying it is the same but when the royal families years ago repeatedly married inwards and had children many were weak and sick and so died or suffered chronic illnesses because of inbreeding depression.

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[MJ]

Yet again lads....

Interesting discussion but keep it on topic and keep the personal attack off the forum please.
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