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Bohan

Hi guys, I'm more than a bit worried about one of my Kims. It started about two days ago, one of my Kimberlys had "swollen", i put this down to it getting more than its fair share of lunch at first, but looking at him and how he conducts himself this evening there is definately some thing up!!
Symptoms are:
Swollen Thorax and abdomen more so.
Does not seem to make its self comfortable, cannot settle for very long.
Lost all monitorishness and lounges around for long periods, head down, not taking in any thing eg Big face in cage, doors opening etc.
Looks ill.

Moves ok, usually from cover to bask and vice versa.

He will have to go to the vets tomorrow for sure, but i wondered if any body new any thing about the symptoms i described? My subject heading is pure speculation on my part, i read the biawak journal heading: Spontaneous Pneumoperitoneum in V acanthurus and i thought thats just too ironic.
He has recently been eating silent crickets as aposed to his normal bulk food of cockroaches, these crickets have a large head capsule that could possibly cause an intestinal blockage, but the temps and gradients are all spot on and its been a very active, healthy, feeder, basker? so i cant imagine this would be the problem.

Any other advice would be greaty appreciated Smile

cheers, better go keep a eye on him, might leave the basking light on tonight and bump the temps up a few degrees??? Sad

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2.0.0 Varanus glauerti.
1.1.0 Varanus a brachyurus.
1.1.0 Chlamydosaurus kingii.
1.3.4 Lacerta vivipera.

arborgoanna · Contributing Member Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 128

Do you have any photographs of the animal? If you have any doubts or suspicions, I suggest you take the monitor to the vet immediately. The onset of symptoms occurred over the course of just a few hours, and proved fatal within just 10-12 hours.

I am not sure how common this affliction is in monitors, or reptiles in general, as I was unable to find any previously published literature reporting on it in reptiles. The only thing I was able to find which bared any resemblance to the symptoms I observed, was in a juvenile V. pilbarensis that I saw pictures of on another website. This was after the report was submitted, and no further information was provided on this pilbarensis, other than it was showing "stressed signs".

http://www.reptilob.de/gal-varanidae_files/page16-1047-full.html
http://www.reptilob.de/gal-varanidae_files/page16-1048-full.html

Bohan · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject:

Thanks Arborgoanna Very Happy

for the quick response.
What ever was wrong seems to have got better??
I could not find or get to him this morning and feared the worst, i had to go out and didnt get back until this afternoon.
When i did get back i had decided to rip every thing out and find him or his corpse, i took out the front glass panel which disturbed him and he flew out in front of me and i picked him up, he has lost this "bloating" although i can see some in his lower gut its nowhere near as bad as it was especially as it was in his chest cavity before aswell?
I am waiting for photobucket to do its job and i will show you some before and after photos so as you can clearly see why i was so worried!!
He also seems a bit more on he boisterous side almost threatened to whip me Laughing

and got a bit "gular" with me Laughing

I' just happy he seems out of the woods. Thanks again Very Happy

Photos to come...

ps although i thought he was bad he wasn't as swollen as that pillbarensis (did it make it?) see for yourself in about 6 days when P bucket has loaded my 6 photos!!!
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2.0.0 Varanus glauerti.
1.1.0 Varanus a brachyurus.
1.1.0 Chlamydosaurus kingii.
1.3.4 Lacerta vivipera.

Bohan · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject:

Oop, cant re-edit..

Before, you can see he wasnt nearly as bad as the Pilbarensis

After. Trapped wind, Overly large meal, minor impaction ??

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2.0.0 Varanus glauerti.
1.1.0 Varanus a brachyurus.
1.1.0 Chlamydosaurus kingii.
1.3.4 Lacerta vivipera.

Bohan · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject:

Nah, Nothing so easy. This animal died during the night.....it seemed to get better and i cancelled its appointment, then it went into some kind of remission? Phoned the vet again for first thing in morning, didnt last four hours.. after the autopsy it was easy to see what was wrong.To say im gutted would be an understatement...
This literally fell out of the lower body cavity (hope your not having lunch) there was an awful amount of "loose" blood in the cavity too Evil or Very Mad

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http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p17/Bird-fly/

2.0.0 Varanus glauerti.
1.1.0 Varanus a brachyurus.
1.1.0 Chlamydosaurus kingii.
1.3.4 Lacerta vivipera.

GJ · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject:

Sorry for your loss.

Is that mass ova?

Bohan · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject:

Yeah thanks,
I am fairly sure its a growth, possibly in the oviducts? It was free floating so to speak, attached by the thinnest of transparent membranes with the tinyest blood vessels supplying it! I am gunna give it to my vet and have it checked out (biopsy?), i need to know why.
edit, My vet says (over phone, with out seeing it), that it probably is a tumur and there was very little i could do about it as they are so fast growing, i would have needed to know about it before i could see it or its manifestation??

depressed..
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2.0.0 Varanus glauerti.
1.1.0 Varanus a brachyurus.
1.1.0 Chlamydosaurus kingii.
1.3.4 Lacerta vivipera.

Scott W · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject:

Real sorry to read that but thanks for posting photos and details.
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Bohan · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject:

Thanks Scott, When i know i'll post what i find.
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http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p17/Bird-fly/

2.0.0 Varanus glauerti.
1.1.0 Varanus a brachyurus.
1.1.0 Chlamydosaurus kingii.
1.3.4 Lacerta vivipera.

arborgoanna · Contributing Member Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 128

Sorry for your loss, Bohan. The mass you have photographed looks like part of the fat bodies which would normally be found immediately upon cutting the animal's abdomen open. Do you happen to have photographs of the animal when you first opened it up?