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mike h
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hello all
I recently made the mistake of swapping one of my albino royals for a spider royal, After a week or so it became apparent that all was not as it should.
basically sloppy poo. SO I had a fecal examination done, as advised by members of this forum. Even though it is eating great and put on 40grms.
Bad news
Parasitology Screen + giardia
Parasitology....... No worm eggs or coccidia demonstrated by McMasters
Cryptosporidia..... Present
Giardia............ Not Seen
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Cryptosporidia can cause gastrointestinal signs in snakes (including
regurgitation and weight loss). The animal should be quarantined and the
It may be worth contacting an exotics specialist regarding this result
from what I have read it is highly contagious and a nasty.
Will be phoning a rep vert. In the meantime If anyone knows what cures this or can advise please let me know.
The shop which swapped this snake has been contacted, Someone i know unfortunatley bought a royal from there and it has died, not very comforting.
mike
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SnakeGuy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear that mike. Afraid i can't offer any advice but from what i have read there is no cure  |
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lol93
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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So sorry to hear this, Mike. I hope your animals are OK. 
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oh dear mike have you told the person who did you the swap?there was a drug under trial that was meeting a certain ammount of sucess over in the states with the leopard gecko wave of crypto sporidium,i did have some information on it ill try and find it but i have a feeling ive deleted the email with the info on what a bag of knackers
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mike h
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Too true, have moved the snake to my dads, I am always carefull between handling snakes but very worried. supposed to be highly contagious???
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Young_Gun
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I am aware there isn't a cure for crypto mate and not sure if the drug that was 'workin' in the states would be transferable, good job you have kept it away from the others, and I know your good on hygiene 
Get the others checked just in case?
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jamie_s
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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here you go mike,this was a email from ron tremper last year that was mailed to everyone on his mailing list its about a drug called humatin,maybe if you get intouch with the right vet and he is clued up on cetain things he may able to help.best of luck mate | Quote: |
Here's some important recent findings that have come my way via clients and contacts about the organism Cryptosporidium (= "Cyrpto")in leopard geckos.
The new drug of choice for Crypto in leopard geckos (will work on other
herps as well) is HUMATIN (= paromomycin). It is a drug for humans
but has been used in cage bird industry against Crypto with great success. The few herpers that have used it say it saves geckos.
Last spring a guy in Panama, which is a top parrot breeder, got in some geckos from the US, which really went downhill from Crypto.
He contacted a top bird Vet and was prescribed the drug Humatin.
He reported directly to me at the 2007 Daytona Expo in August that his geckos recovered - even ones with "pin tails".
So I contacted his Vet and here's some of that input I received..........
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".......Humatin is the brand name for Paromomycin. If you buy it buy the generic as it is much less expensive. The dose that I recall is high - like 400 mg/kg orally once daily for 10 days. A second round of treatment may be necessary. It is important to disinfect with ammonia. That is from my memory. [the Panamian] used it with his geckos with great success. I have been using it to treat birds for years with very good success."
additional comments ...........
"Ron
There is a published [Humatin] dose of 300 to 800 mg/kg for geckos with cryptosporidium (referenced to Coke RL and Tristan TE - Proceedings of Reptile and Amphibian Veterinarians.) I chose to go with 400 mg/kg. It is noted that this provides clinical relief but cannot be relied upon to stop shedding [egg cysts]. The immune response of the animal is important and very temperature dependent. Also disinfection of the environment is critical to reduce the level of organisms in the environment. Cryptosporidia are very environmentally resistant. Anything to reduce the environmental loads of cysts would be helpful.........."
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In reading all the research literature on how to kill crypto (egg) cysts.....the concensus is to simply let caging and water bowls dry for
8 hours. Moisture keeps them alive, even when treated with acid and gases. Desication or Ammonia seem to be the best egg destroyer.
I hope this information aides in controlling the growing threat of Crypto in the leopard gecko industry worldwide. Much works needs to be done to test Humatin's long range effects. It is important for all of us to attack this disease head on.
(disclaimer = Use of the above information is not guaranteed to cure Crytpo and the user is solely responsible for their own actions. I am merely passing on what I have learned from others.)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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sorry to hear that mike, hope it all works out for you matey.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| so sorry to hear about that |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| oh am so sorry to hear this! hope it works out for you! |
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