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David Maguire · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject:

yes i know i should go for a 2x2x3 but there are alot of mixed opinions
e.g you say 2x2x3 wethepeople says 2x2x4 and when i spoke to rick he said 20x20x30 inches and David manning says 2x2x2 and there are many people who say 2x2x2 and if i could i would go for a 2x2x4 but my mum wont let me have anything bigger than a 2x2x2 unless its a flexarium or something that's cheap,light and is incredibly easy to build as i have no tools
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David

Jase · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

It depends on your preferences, and circumstances. If you get a baby cham to start then a full size viv would be unnecessary and may be detrimental to the cham's state. If you get a young one then you can decide for your self as it grows whether the larger of the sizes is needed. Mine are in an 18x18x24inch at the minute but will be upgraded when they are larger.

Ultimately it's your decision but others can only speak from their experiences, I've only had mine 2 weeks so I'm very early in my experience but i've found they seem to feel more secure the higher they are. Maybe you could over come your height issue by raising the viv so they feel higher!?

Take in the advice of others and come to your own conclusion. Wink

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David Maguire · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

well i would only buy a baby male and it would be being put on top of my blue toungs Viv which is 2 foot tall but i would let it wander while i am there which is alot of the time
but PLEASE IF PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS WRONG TO KEEP A MALE PANTHER IN A 2x2x2 ALL OF ITS LIFE PLEASE TELL ME or pm me
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David

kroakykaren · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject:

I would go 3' high when adult Very Happy

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redbelly · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject:

i would go for a 2x2x3 atleast for a panther chameleon they are rather active,so bigger is better when adult.
Orena Mena,are nosy faly's they will be in the uk next year sometime Wink

Prices are the sellers choice really but i have been selling ambilobes (babies)for 125.
mafana's are one of the highest priced panther's as said normally from 350-500.
But 160 is a good price for many of the other locales
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David Maguire · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject:

i suppose ill just have to win my mum round then
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David

Rickeezee · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

The older the panther the higher the price usually. Harder to obtain locales more pricey.

So anywhere from £100 for a baby of the more common locales up to £500 for the rare locales.

As for viv Size I would opt for 2x2x30 inches as minimum for an adult. I would not keep a baby panther in a viv this big though they may struggle to find their food and they establish feeding routes. In to large a viv a baby panther can easily forget its feeding route.

Everyone does things differently, I house my panther babies in medium size exo terras in small groups for the first couple of weeks then seperate into individual housing. Then larger vivs as they grow on.

I have seen baby panthers at four weeks old and younger, demonstrate defensive and territorial behaviour and actually attack each other. I have also seen large groups of babies kept together that do very well being kept like this, and trios raised that have remained together up till adulthood. Just need to be vigilant and make adjustments as required dependant upon how the chams react. No hard and fast rules that are cast in stone. Let the chams dictate the pace, if something is not working change it, easier said than done as its the working out of whats not working that is the hard bit. Laughing

It is very worrying when getting your first cham as you want to get everything 100% right, and everything you end up reading seems to contain some contradictory points in comparison with other things you have read or been told.
My best advice would be to concentrate on getting the basics right; light, heat, food, humidity, size of viv that reflects size of panther e.g. baby smaller viv, intermediate panther medium size viv, adult large viv, good viv that holds humidity for panthers but also allows for good cross air flow.

As before everyone does things slightly differently, be open minded and learn about your chams behaviour so you can make adjustments as required. The learning curve is a big buzz and all part of the wonderful world of keeping chams.
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