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steveuk
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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Chameleo nasutus a real pygmy |
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HI all
OK then , a few more pics
these are chameleo nasutus a real tiny chameleon,they are on a ficus benjamina and their body is only about twice the thickness of the stem.
male and female pics, males with the longer nose protuberance.
the eggs were a tad smaller than peas , and that branch the hatchling is on is a pivet stem !! now that's a small hatchling !!!
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Jan O
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OMG !!!! DOI WANT THESE!!! Please Steveuk tell me more about them they are beautifull. As you know I keep and breed Rhampholeon but these tinies are just incredible, I am one jealous person.
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Rickeezee
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Weird wee chams, nice pics! cheers.
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steveuk
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thanks both of you.
Sadly like the minor i had these chameleons some years ago.
I was fed up with the poor condition that chameleons came into the country especially from Madagascar .
I pursued several supplies and found one that would send so called captive farmed.I imported them myself in small numbers for a small group if individuals.The chameleons came and were totally stunning , with many being very small,which settled in easily and did extremely well.
The whole procedure however was a total nightmare,and could probably fill a book on the trials and tribulations and was threatened with divorce (we had only been married a few years at the time !!) if I ever tried it again !!!
It did show to me however that a properly managed trade could work to the benefit of all concerned , including the animals-- WHOOOW steady on , nearly getting the soap box out !! Steve |
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Rickeezee
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| steveuk wrote: | thanks both of you.
Sadly like the minor i had these chameleons some years ago.
I was fed up with the poor condition that chameleons came into the country especially from Madagascar .
I pursued several supplies and found one that would send so called captive farmed.I imported them myself in small numbers for a small group if individuals.The chameleons came and were totally stunning , with many being very small,which settled in easily and did extremely well.
The whole procedure however was a total nightmare,and could probably fill a book on the trials and tribulations and was threatened with divorce (we had only been married a few years at the time !!) if I ever tried it again !!!
It did show to me however that a properly managed trade could work to the benefit of all concerned , including the animals-- WHOOOW steady on , nearly getting the soap box out !! Steve |
Some very valid points raised there, so have things changed that much one must ask? Kind of pushes it forward to captive bred being a good thing and strict background and history for new bloodlines being bought in to prevent interbreeding. Surely how hard can that be if it's all strictly monitored and controlled?
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steveuk
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sadly Rick I think its no better at all.
The worst thing I feel , particularly in Madagascar , is that a ban on exports , though I think this applies only to the EU and not the US unbelievably , results in the animals and forest being of no commercial value at all and the habitat then becomes "useful" only for crops and is converted to such.
Captive breeding is the way to go and I do think a record of origin should be of importance, this forum seems well populated by very conscientious and enthusiastic people many of whom I think should be classed as experts due to their successes in breeding Chameleons.
In some cases a no mean feat.I hope it continues and can grow to take on this responsibility
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Rickeezee
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| steveuk wrote: | sadly Rick I think its no better at all.
The worst thing I feel , particularly in Madagascar , is that a ban on exports , though I think this applies only to the EU and not the US unbelievably , results in the animals and forest being of no commercial value at all and the habitat then becomes "useful" only for crops and is converted to such.
Captive breeding is the way to go and I do think a record of origin should be of importance, this forum seems well populated by very conscientious and enthusiastic people many of whom I think should be classed as experts due to their successes in breeding Chameleons.
In some cases a no mean feat.I hope it continues and can grow to take on this responsibility
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I beleive Madagascar has now introduced widespread rice fields due in part to the reasons mentioned. It 's sad for the chams and other indigenous wildlife, but I guess it's about economics and nothing is ever straight forward. I do firmly believe though that captive breeding programmes have a good role to play in conservation and ensuring some speices will still survive in the future due to this. Even more reason to keep good clear accurate records and record observations.
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Chris Anderson
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Chris Anderson
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In 1994, CITES recommended a ban on the importation of all Chamaeleo species (now Calumma and Furcifer species) except Ch. pardalis, Ch. verrucosus, Ch. oustaleti and Ch. lateralis. Technically, this makes any other species from the Calumma or Furcifer complex that leaves Madagascar illegal in any CITES country. This has not stopped the exportation to many CITES countries, however and many of these species are still commonly available in Europe, even more so in Asia but rather rarely in the US for the most part.
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steveuk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Chris
only got those photos that are any good.
Looked fallax up in Brygoo and they are very similar , the nasutus drawing in Brygoo is quite poor , what differentiates the two ?
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