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Scott W · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: What about normals???

Peter Parrot posted up on the Fave Morph thread asking where the choice is for normals, that kinda got me thinking to what do you actually class as normal???

If you think about it a great many 'morphs' are naturally occuring, the highest white Piebald was found as an adult in the wild Shocked

, Pastels have been imported for many years as normals, so to have yellow bellys. The first striped royals were wild caught.

So that leads back to the question, Why & what do you class as a 'normal' and what's a 'morph'??
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Peter Parrot · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject:

Me being no expert, this is just my opinion.

A normal I would describe as the colour/patternisation most commonly observed in the natural state.

I was watching a piebald black bird only a few days back and am aware that such "one offs" do appear in the wild. It is unlikely though that a population of them would arise due to the genetics of it all. The specific and exact line breeding that is required to reproduce and create unusual morphs just isn`t going to happen in the wild state.

Of course what is considered normal in one part of a species range may well not be the normality in another part of it`s range, which is what the locale thing is all about. So, it depends on where your "normal" comes from really . Smile

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Mememe · Site Moderator Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 2141

As Peter said, the 'most commonly seen form'. However, it depends how precise you want to be. All royals differ in patterning, subtle as it can be, so you can only give a rough 'picture', and that all animals resembling it are normal. Where a normal becomes a high gold, or any other non definitive morph, is up to personal opinion, eg - most normal leopard geckos now, would be classed as high yellows a few years back.

On a side note, are there any animal populations (of any species) where a particular genetic 'abnormality' is a 'normality'. Eg, a population of X where being albino/leucistic etc is an advantage?
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Peter Parrot · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject:

Twas a black bird I assure you Nelson.

A freind of mine who runs a pest control business and has probably shot more crows than I have defrosted mice , and some, once showed me a chocolate coloured crow that he shot and had stuffed. he is in his 50`s, has been shooting since a teen and like I say has shot countless quantities of them up and down the country and abroad. In all that time he has only seen this one chocolate crow. The beak and legs were chocolate also.

Hardly normals! Laughing

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Nelson · Key Member Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 318

Bad joke, I don't disbelieve you at all.

Once saw a silvery-grey Crow at my parents.

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Nelson · Key Member Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 318

Mememe · Site Moderator Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 2141

Nelson · Key Member Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 318

D'oh! Fell for it though, I know nothing about birds (they simply don't interest me)!

Oh well going to have to erase that from my memory... Shouldn't take long Laughing