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Stuart
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I believe so Ron and like you say not been bred...
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| RonW wrote: | Did he get these from the Netherlands? I just saw that a Dutch firm offers these as imports from Surinam. Not that expensive either.
Apparently you can keep them similar to dart frogs like tinctorius. Don't think they have been bred though. |
Hi Ron,
Care is far more complex than that of tinctorius mate, and keeping these like them wouldn't suit them very well. These live next to streams they require a decent water body as well as running water with extremely pure water, captive breeding of these has not yet taken place as this particular species has never been kept in captivity. Other Atelopus toads have been bred such as zeteki (panama golden frog tho these are toads lol) but not in any large amounts and I dont believe any one managed to raise the young.
Stuart why didn't you invite me to such an amazing photo shoot
 
cracking pictures as per usual Dave!
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Dave?? 
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| Jezz wrote: | | Dave?? |
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Stuart
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..ty mate 
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Beautiful animals...look even better than they did the other day 
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| MJ wrote: | Care is far more complex than that of tinctorius mate, and keeping these like them wouldn't suit them very well. These live next to streams they require a decent water body as well as running water with extremely pure water, captive breeding of these has not yet taken place as this particular species has never been kept in captivity. Other Atelopus toads have been bred such as zeteki (panama golden frog tho these are toads lol) but not in any large amounts and I dont believe any one managed to raise the young.
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Since nobody has kept them you can't really say what sort of care they really need Not doubting your knowledge here, but I have read a bit on other fora and people who have seen these in nature had a few comments. Since these were in Dutch I'll tranlate a bit:
First, these are lowland species, in contrast to Atelopus species that used to be kept the most in the past. The recommendation is to keep temps and humidity similar to tincs and ventrimaculata who were found in the same environment. Another lowland species, A.flavescens, was kept successfully for years together with dart frogs, although they didn't breed.
It is unclear whether these actually need running water to breed, eggs and tadpoles of A.flavescens were apparently found in a plastic container that was thrown away. Still the best guess was to use running water, maybe ending in some sort of pool with little or no flow. So, yes a good body of water would be necessary.
All in all, quite a few questions left to answer, but that is part of the fun. They may not be too difficult to keep (provided you start with healthy imports), but breeding them is a different matter. I hope someone cracks it, they are stunning little animals and I'd love to have some at some point.
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These are a subspecies of spumarius which have been kept and they really weren't that easy as say tincs and or vent main problems encountered with spumarius imports are these:
apparent nose rubs that are actually fungla infections and suffering from refeeding syndrome so as long as I can crack these and keep these guys healthy I should be OK, these animals are in very good condition for fresh imports which is a bonus with only one animal in this group having nose rub/infection so I'm looking forward to getting them in the vivarium once QT is done.
Also female can suffer egg impactation and or binding which can kill them  and since I only have 2 possible females in this group I am hoping to high heaven that this doesn't happen.
And yes it would be fantastic to get these guys breeding which is my main goal 
Joe, they are looking better hehe amazing what light can do to the look of an animal
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He isn't!..If you read it back he is stating what others have observed from them in their natural habitats...
| Quote: | | And you shouldn't be..he's the one keeping these |
Owning a species doesn't make you an instant expert..  (no Offence Mj..sure you get my drift)
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