Reptile Forum, Reptile Classifieds - CaptiveBred

lizard man · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

Wow, went and had a shower and come back to all this.

What Stuart said was what i was trying to get across with my little gecko story, should have made a conclusion at the end of it.

But my piece is CB snakes don't know any different - I'm sure given the chance they would adapt to living in the wild very well as they don't "tame" as other animals might, they are always going to have that feeding response when a fluffy little thing walks past it.

And like mentioned earlier a wild animal taken as a pet and having everything it needs put in front of it sounds like a dream. Water, Shelter, Food, Stress free environment for the most, Safe from harm and be able to Mate if the own gets a second one Wink

Being put in a viv or "prison" puts the animals mind at rest for the most.

Steve

SteveL · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject:

Good grief im out of this one you seem to be arguing with your own mind ...
yawn Laughing

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Scott W · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject:

I don't believe that there's a big difference in WC to CB in terms of keeping them in captivity, IF they are set up correctly i.e. food, temps, correct environment etc.

Reptiles are pretty low down the ladder and don't require the mental simulation that mammals and birds do. Everything a reptile does is pretty much for the purpose of surviving, not fun or to cure boredom.

Yes there's a few exceptions like green iguanas and some of the large monitors but that's due to the large areas they normally roam in the wild and overall even CB animals show the same signs of wanting to wander further than the 4 walls of their cages (no matter how big they are).

Do I think wc should be imported and sold, YES & NO, many species aren't suited to captivity and there are many better CB species available but I think a little better selection by the importers would cure that.
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Scott W · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject:

forgot to say that obviously there will be parasite problems with WC but I don't your referring to that side are you Jess?
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Jezz · CaptiveBred Addict! Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 727

No Scott, thats a whole different story for another day Laughing

I think just with the opinion and question fired back (which I found unable to answer) it actually got me wandering, I always thought WC animals and the way its usually done was abit cruel, but wondered was I being hipercritical? If that makes sense.

I soppose your right Scott, snakes and many other reps are alot different to many other animals we could argue the case with (ie the keeping of birds in cages etc) which I fully disagree with because they don't get everything they need mostly space that snakes mostly do.

I'm not very knowledgable on how the given reptile brain is and just wondered whether being kept in captivity (kept right of course though) could still cause any physcological stress as its proven to say birds (a completely different animal I know but its for an example) by plucking feathers etc and I think its pretty much answered questions I had. So thanks Scott Wink

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quasimodo · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:

A few years ago I read a book about breeding different species of snakes. It was an old book and stated that several of the kinds of snakes that are now bred in captivity on a regular basis could not ( at that time ) be bred in captivity, but that work was going on to try to breed them.

Seems to me that we as a reptile community have learned now how to care for these different species, and they are now happily breeding away merrily Wink

Until conditions were corrected and set-ups sorted, the snakes were unhappy and would not breed.

The old saying 'proof of the pudding is in the eating' seems appropriate to me - reptiles feed and breed when they are happy Very Happy

Just popping into the reptile room to see how the hatching eggs are getting on.... Cool

Jezz · CaptiveBred Addict! Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 727

Thats some very good points.

Its the old 'thriving or surviving' thing. I think proof comes when reptiles (that are breedable) breed, then I guess thats the kinda measurment that they are happy and content.

I hope so any way Laughing

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Lynne · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:

i just found this, dont know how i missed it.
in my opinion, taking a snake from the wild to live in captivity, is as bad as taking an elephant or a lion. both these animals would slowly go mad if taken from a vast area and placed in a tiny enclosure.
prisons are there to punish people. what have wc snakes ever done in order to be punished. cb's have never lived wild, so dont know wild. cb snakes are probably quite happy to integrate with us. wc would be a differant matter i would assume. or we would all have much more bites and scars than we do.
and jezz, you will always get folk who are only there to stir things, and they tend to try and make people asking interesting questions, look ridiculas. in the end they only make themselves look stupid.
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