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Stuart Marquis
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| Quote: | But it is still alive.
My point is that they are all alive and as such should all have an equal chance at living.
I understand that a fly is different to a human but only because we dominate the earth.
If you are religious then GOD made all living things. |
I'm not sure its possible to give every living thing an equal chance of living in the captive environment. Either you prioritize the life of your pet (your cham) or you prioritize the life of the cricket; they can't both survive. I'm also not sure that they have an equal chance of survival in the wild either so I guess God (or by its proper name, evolution) doesn't want to play fair either!
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Jase
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Lynne wrote: | can i add, your in trouble. i read your forum.  |
 That forum runs itself 
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Lynne
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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aye it will have to if i get hold of you!!!!
good job i have a sense of humour.
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royalpython
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Just a thought, i found this on rfuk.
| Quote: | from the secretary of states standards of modern zoo practice:
Although the Protection of Animals Acts 1911 to 1964 do not prohibit the feeding of
animals with live prey, the live feeding of vertebrate prey should be avoided save in
exceptional circumstances, and then only under veterinary advice. Where any live prey
must be used, its welfare must be considered as well as any potential injury which might
be caused to the predator.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/gwd/zooprac/pdf/zooprac.pdf |
Whats your views on this?
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Jase
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| royalpython wrote: | Just a thought, i found this on rfuk.
| Quote: | from the secretary of states standards of modern zoo practice:
Although the Protection of Animals Acts 1911 to 1964 do not prohibit the feeding of
animals with live prey, the live feeding of vertebrate prey should be avoided save in
exceptional circumstances, and then only under veterinary advice. Where any live prey
must be used, its welfare must be considered as well as any potential injury which might
be caused to the predator.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/gwd/zooprac/pdf/zooprac.pdf |
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royalpython
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I did notice the zoo bit, but wondered if this applied to personal collections as well. Maureen Collinson seems to think if we livefeed our snakes we're breaking the law.
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woodage
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I breed my own rodents for my snakes. I feed both live and defrost depending on what the snake will eat. I dont like or enjoy feeding live because I love rats, mice and animals in general. The rodents in my care are looked after, have fresh water, food, bedding and things to play on. They are kept in suitable groups and are happy animals. They are fed on a varied diet and are cherished as living things, not just snake food.
As snake keepers we have to take responsibility for our actions. When you feed a defrost, you are still feeding a rodent that has died for the purpose of being fed to a snake. By buying that rodent you are just as responsible for its death as if you had pre killed or fed live. Don't think that just because you don't feed live you are any more animal friendly. The animal will die by suffocation weather at the hands of a rodent breeder or a snake.
By feeding live I get much less waste than feeding defrost. How many times have you had to throw away a defrost rodent because it wasn't eaten??? This to me is a horrible waste of a life. You dont get this with live feeding.
The most important thing when feeding live is respect for the prey animal. Videos on you tube of guys laughing when the rodents get constricted are just plain 'cow dung' and can only harm herpetology as a whole. |
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jakeus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I breed my own rodents for my snakes. I feed both live and defrost depending on what the snake will eat. I dont like or enjoy feeding live because I love rats, mice and animals in general. The rodents in my care are looked after, have fresh water, food, bedding and things to play on. They are kept in suitable groups and are happy animals. They are fed on a varied diet and are cherished as living things, not just snake food.
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I also keep my rats the same. I was thinking about doing an experiment if anybody has tried breeding rats in large cages with toys and chews etc. and breeding rats in lab cages/tubs. I wanted to see if there was any change in the behaviour of the rats and if one gave birth to more young etc.
If anyone has done an experiment similar, please share the results.
| Quote: | | By feeding live I get much less waste than feeding defrost. How many times have you had to throw away a defrost rodent because it wasn't eaten??? This to me is a horrible waste of a life. You dont get this with live feeding. |
I completely agree with this, it's surely worse to throw away defrost animals than too keep a live rat that the snake didnt want. |
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chrislewis6563
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By feeding live I get much less waste than feeding defrost. How many times have you had to throw away a defrost rodent because it wasn't eaten??? This to me is a horrible waste of a life. You dont get this with live feeding.
I completely agree with this, it's surely worse to throw away defrost animals than too keep a live rat that the snake didnt want. |
I totally agree with the live feeding part (as of the way of waste) as it was my feeding time last night and i defrosted 1 rat pup 1 small rat and 2 large mice and i have got six to feed, and i still ended up with 1 small rat and 1 large mouse left because they didn't all feed  what a waste If had defrosted the six I would have wasted more |
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Lynne
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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defrost less when you know they arent all feeding. 
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