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[slangman]

i for one havent seen a grass snake in the uk but dont really see what the fuss is about . Excuse my ignorince but i have seen a lot worse than 'tailing' a grass snake and think that maybe you are simply making a mountain out of a mole hill . Sure the snake is not happy but the alternative is to restrain it with hook sticks? i have seen many a snake get more damaged by these impliments thatn by being tailed close to the ground . I dont know this chap so am not on his side , its just that the snake is a coloubrid and when it is released , doesnt apear to be in that much distress . If it were a python and could suffer from being tailed then fine but its not and i think for the benifit of the vid , it is probably the best option. I have seen people(well respected people ) like steve irwin and austin stevens and your very own Mark o shea , all tailing snakes and not a peap was mentioned .
just my opinion but if ya wanna bite back , feel free . I am big and can take it LOL .
PS i aint saying i agree with everyone going otu and making you tube vids of them all doing the same thing but for educational purposes , i found the vid interesting and cant see what all the fuss was about . If he tried to handle the snake with hooks etc , it would certainly suffered more seing as how frisky it was .
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[benwaddams]

Hiya Guys,

I have read all the comments posted on here. I would first like to thank you, not for simply spending the time viewing my clips (whatever you made of them) but for getting involved, taking time out and discussing them (positive or negative). I am really encouraged that there are so many caring and concerned people out there and far from upsetting me, this forum has really made me feel a great deal happier about our herpers and animal lovers.

I don't intend to sit (or fall off) the fence, and I will defend my views and will try and answer as many points, queries and questions as I can.

First off, I can absolutely assure everyone that I am not an attention grabber/seeker or whatever. I believe my first video was that of my diving in the local river. This was entirely a bit of fun when it was hot enough to do that with a mate and a couple of dogs. Of course there was no snake there and if there had been I would certainly have let him/her swim off rather than being stupid enough to risk damaging it. I am really not in need of youtube as a platform to show off on, I don't need the attention and I don't want it. I am simply doing it to showcase our wildlife in an interesting and unique way and if I ride the wave of my own enthusiasm, I'm sorry, but that's really what I am like - take it or leave it and apologies to anyone who doesn't like it.

I am not trying to copy Steve Irwin (oh and by the way, I have worked with Austin Stevens at Tigress Productions and consider him to be one of the very worst 'wildlife presenters' (or is that actor?) out there). On the other hand, I had immense respect for Steve Irwin. I believe his message about not sitting back on the long lens and merely observing wildlife, but getting right in there and dragging you in with him, up close and personal with the animals was a revelation and highly highly successful in (as he would say it) getting people jazzed up about wildlife and each species' conservation and preservation. I think if people get involved with wildlife on that level, for that reason and with that eventual aim in mind, they will be doing alot of good on this planet.

Here I'd like to admit to some mistakes. I absolutely agree that I should have put a warning and/or statement of some description up before and after my clips and if I make any in the future, this is what I will improve on. I AM concerned that people will try and copy (I hope I don't come across as arrogant enough to use the term 'imitate') me and injure the animal concerned or heaven forbid (!) themselves. I would love for viewers to go out there and try and find the species I show, but certainly not damage or unnecessarily disturb them in any way because of it (adult female adders for example in april/may/june when they can become stressed and reabsorb their embryos). This is something I will address in future clips and I sincerely thank you for your comments.

My Vipera Berus info was off a little. I don't really have an excuse for this one. I have admitted to it in the comments if people can be bothered to read them and all I will say is a) it was my first adder at that location and my first youngster and I was literally, lost for words - hence the post commentary, and I also felt I was stressing the little girl out and so the clip is actually, as I'm sure you noticed, the same shot several times, repeated/flipped/reversed/flopped/zoomed, because after about 15 seconds I let her go! Apologies...as I say, its in my reply to the comments and b) Thank you for the info concerning hedgehogs and birds of prey/corvids.

Alot of my negative comments concern...concern for the animals, which is why it makes me so happy that people care. I can, hand on heart assure you that none of the animals I've found on my walks with a camera were harmed in any way. It would never enter my head to treat an animal with any less respect than my friends, which I consider them to be. I considered that Grass Snake to be happier being tailed than being held around the body or (seriously..heaven forbid) around the neck or head. I would never touch a reptile's head or neck and all of my captures are held as gently as possible. For 95% of the Grass Snake video, although I was in contact with the tail, he was given support on the ground or my other hand and I was simply keeping in contact with him.

I see it like this (and this goes for the Grass Snake, the Adder, the Gopher Snake, the Rattler, the Red Rumped Tarantula and everything else) if I get bitten, I look like an idiot...which wouldn't bother me personally, but if I was say a taxi driver and you got in and I said 'yer hop on inside mate, I've had 43 crashes so far, lets see what happens this time...' would you think I knew what I was doing? Probably not! I think 'dodging' a bite by watching an animal's mood and knowing what he or she is thinking, (which can only be said, I believe, with respect, if you have had alot of experience with the species) is far more impressive and demonstrates a much greater understanding and therefore respect for the animal concerned, than getting bitten and watching the blood ooz out and giving the animal a bad reputation. Again, just my own personal opinion. (and mate, there's a big difference between a fast reaction time and 'flinching')

I was until recently a 'hot house' keeper at my local zoo and, although no-one seems to be questioning my experience, I just wanted to take the opportunity to let people know that I am fairly well qualified as a safe herp handler, having been in contact with some great stuff! Saw-scaled vipers, burmeses, emerald boas, alot of scorps and tarantulas, sailfins, crocs, matamatas, snappers, rattlers, house snakes, terrapins, snake necked turtles, basilisks, plateds etc the list is almost endless...does this prepare me or qualify my to pick up or touch wild species, certainly not. But I think it gives me a degree more respect, knowledge and practical understanding of SOME of them. (can a large rattlesnake reach my chin within this range or not...for example!)

I see myself as a familiar animal (that being a human being) for others of my species to use as a link between them and the wildlife I am showing.

As far as 'wild' jobs and practical experience goes, please ask me for it if you disbelieve me, but to list a few: Slow worm conservation project for Cardiff Uni, Sand Lizard and Smooth Snake habitat surveying for Dorset wildlife trust, RSPCA worker on the Napoli sea bird disaster, Water Vole researcher on the Grand Union canal, Amphibian swabbing for protection against the viral pandemic...Slightly further a-field, I have been involved with GAFI, the Great Apes Film Initiative, which uses innovative ideas and award winning documentary films as outreach material, travelling to areas such as Borneo and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and showing these films (ie the BBC's Cousins) to the local people who have to live in the presence of these apes as well as to the government ministers, responsible for the civil wars or deforestation that are so devastating to these creatures.

So to sum up. Thank you. I admit some mistakes and yes, we do all make them. What you see in my clips, is what you get. I'm not acting, or I'd be somewhere else right now. I have grown up with and handled dozens, if not hundreds of reptiles and consider myself to have at least a bit of experience with them and other reptiles. (I go on walks to my favourite herping grounds most weekends and rarely touch or pick up what I see). I am content with a photo most of the time but, and if I have a statement, I guess this is it;

To merely view, observe and pass by wildlife that is in decline around the world and across the UK would be selfish. Why? Because one can do so much more. You can go and find and handle and touch and smell our wildlife (drawing the line at adders) and I believe if people don't, then we are going to start seeing extinct species very, very soon. If the current approach is not working as well as it probably should, why not try something a little different and unique? Alot of these people that really experience wildlife hands-on (not wrestling with them for heaven's sake, but gently) and get involved, go on to become conservation officers, environmental ministers, biology teachers and conservationists to name but a few. Keeping it local...British wildlife, especially our herps, aren't going extinct because people are taking photos and vision of them and experiencing them...they are becoming extinct because of our greed. Our farming culture and our insaitable appetite for houses. If I can excite one person and make them care about our wildlife, just that one extra degree which means they take a conservation themed career, then I will be forever a happy person.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. I have my own views, just as you have yours. I won't get drawn into a slogging match but I would like to reply to sensible comments and replies of your own. Sorry for upsetting anyone and apologies if my spelling's a bit off here and there, I did a zoology, geography and conservation degree with wildlife art thrown in, not english.

Thank you for doing what you do, as you know, our wildlife needs our help and our love more now than at any other time.

Happy herping, cheers,

Ben
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[benwaddams]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for replying. And thank you also for the great pictures. I intended my reply to apply to all the comments on my clips, not just to you, so please don't take things personally.

I admit that it would have been much nicer to let her hold on and wrap around my fingers and as you say, this happens most of the time with any Grass snakes that I pick up. On the other hand, this particular individual was rather grumpy (during the 10 seconds after capture and before filming) and I have aired my views about getting bitten. She was supported for 95% of the time with either here lower third or most of her body on the ground or in my hand. But yes, in retrospect, it would have been better not to tail her.

What I would like to do, concerning future clips, is what you say, show how gentle these beautiful reptiles are and try and educate people further about them. But I hand on heart believe that particular animal was worked up about something before. That's all I will say on that clip.

Thank you very much again for taking the time to reply to me and point me in the right direction, and again for the photos, great stuff!

Cheers,

Ben
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[Scott W]

Hi Ben, thanks for joining and responding to peoples concerns / comments.

Personally I don't think you did any harm to any of the animals involved but I would be concerned with the many copy cats out there that haven't a clue and in all likely-hood will harm the snakes during capture and worse perhaps when they git bit actually retaliate at the snake.

I must say that at the time Irwin was great and overall the positive far exceeded the negative with his actual methods BUT I think those days are gone now and a new type of interaction with wildlife is needed, YES I'm all for showing wild animals close up and that they are not aggressive when not provoked but it does need to be done without the 'drama' of many of the current 'Irwin imitators' on youtube (not just your clips).

best regards
Scott
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