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Ailurus · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject:

i have a non-reptile example.

When a Tiger and Lion are bred together. (They are both in the same genus Panthera) a liger is produced.

All male ligers are infertile and cannot reproduce. And most females are also infertile. There have been 2 cases where a female liger has produced offspring.

So sort of an example Very Happy

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RonW · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

Dragon Breeder · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject:

Ron: they are both Lamprophis species indeed, but so far have been proven not to interbreed & produce viable offspring, i really don't know why - they seem to be related via looks but have no common ground genetically, it may also be worth taking note that Lamprophis mentalis does not produce viable offspring when bred to the afore mentioned species but is also very similar in looks.
species like L. lineatus also do not breed with L. capensis to produce viable offspring although they are both the lamprophis species, why? i don't know but that's the facts as i know them lol.
i believe that Mehelya subspecies also do not cross, M.c.capensis & M.c.unicolor, but i have absolutely no knowledge with Mehelya species.

its like trying to cross a Chinese Water Dragon with an Australian, both Physignathus but nothing comes of it (to my knowledge)

Erik
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slangman · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:

just to chip in my few pennies to the argument . We all know of the several crosses and intergrades between the pythons of the world , even to the extent of the chondros mixing with carpets but alas , housies dont mix . Many will claim they have crossed these snakes and had fertile eggs . Till this day (and i include the written account from housie enthuasiats whom have over a century of experience combined) none of us have ever seen a pic or snake which constitutes a cross between L.fuliginosis , Lmaculatus and L.capensis . There are loads of claims out there but no evidence what so ever . I personally have a male Fuliginosis that i have paired to 3 different L.capensis females and not a single viable or even remotely fertile egg has ever come of it . These are both proven adults that have bred with their own subspecie . I have several pics of the matings from the group but not a single fertile egg. It is probably 1 of the main reasons why housies havent taken off big time and that is that the confusion over the spp. results in collectors sitting with uncompatible animals . It has only recently been discovered that the snakes from SA (capensis) are a different subspecie from those north of Tanzania . Puzzles me as to why corns and ratsnakes and kings can intergrade to easily (myself having done this many times with these snakes) yet housies dont .
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RonW · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:

On the positive side: No purity issues! Laughing

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slangman · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject:

Dragon Breeder · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject:

Very true Ron lol
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Dragon Breeder · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:13 am Post subject:

Lynne · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:40 am Post subject:

i tried to look, and its saying the thread doesnt exist!!!! help!
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