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Ailurus
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 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: chameleon info please |
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i keep seeing chameleons in retile shops and my liking for them continues to grow, and my mum likes them, which means i have a greater chance of getting them lol.
right i know that everyone asks, what is te best starter chameleon, and the answer is always 'Yemens', but i believe that yemens get quite large and require quite a large viv when adult is this correct?
the chameelons i like are side striped, jacksons, flap necked, mellors, hoehenlli and panthers. (the first three are my favourites)
i was just wonderin which of these species you would recommend and also some info on care.
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Hi Tom, Panthers are a good start. Your best bet for care & information to start with is to search the Chameleon section, I've spent hours reading it & found it very very informative.
Best tip of all I've learnt is not to over complicate things & keep it simple.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Just go with which you like best and research one specifically.
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Ailurus
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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well i like jacksons, hoehenelli and fischers best. but i have not seen any of these (except the first) availaible, and i havent seen any CB, and i would preferably like Cb animals.
what books would people recommend?
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PaulG
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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well for a start you could read up on the forum.
then if you have more questions then go ahead and ask.
I would deffinatly recomend you get CB for your first chameleon.
several of the chameleons you have mentioned are not really suited to your first time keeper but its not set in stone.
out of that list I think that panthers would be your best bet and most avaible.
I dont think you will find cb jacksons in your reptile shop you are better looking in the classifieds forprivate breeders.
Have a look on amazon or similar for a good book on chams.
But one thing I do say is dont go for CF or WC and get from a reccomended sorce! 
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Rickeezee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| SmallPaul wrote: | well for a start you could read up on the forum.
then if you have more questions then go ahead and ask.
I would deffinatly recomend you get CB for your first chameleon.
several of the chameleons you have mentioned are not really suited to your first time keeper but its not set in stone.
out of that list I think that panthers would be your best bet and most avaible.
I dont think you will find cb jacksons in your reptile shop you are better looking in the classifieds forprivate breeders.
Have a look on amazon or similar for a good book on chams.
But one thing I do say is dont go for CF or WC and get from a reccomended sorce! |
I dont have a particular downer on WC or CF chams, after all new bloodlines are needed at times, but and this is a big but, If you do get a cham go for captive bred from a trusted source as has been mentioned already. CF / WC chams often just do not settle well into captivity and may lead miserable lives gradually deteriorating. Some never make the adjustment.
Long transportation in crowded conditions = dehydrated chams with kidney damage! All WC CF are a gamble, sadly not enough folk know the conditions that these chams are kept in before being transported. To be fair some are well cared for and some are not.
OK most of the African species you will see in pet shops will invariably be WC CF. And not necessarily any cheaper at pet shop prices than obtaining true UK CB from a specialist breeder. There are not many true UK CB African species about, but they do exist if you know where to look.
Invariably some folk will go for the cheapest deal they can get and not take into consideration the chameleons history, or take into account the amount of hard work and time it takes to raise quality UK CB chams.
As I said I dont have a particular issue with CF or WC especially if the CF facilities are 100% spot on and the transportation process is conducted in a decent manner. But any potential buyer has the right to know what they are getting themselves into. Captive breeding programmes are the way forward in my view. Yes invariably the original stock will be imported for certain species to support such programmes no point in being naive about this. As before at times fresh bloodlines will also be required to keep stock strong.
In answer to your question about which cham to go for to begin with, you said your not so keen on a Yemen, well I would advise a panther from the list that you made. The other species you mentioned can be kept extremely successfully but they do require very specific conditions to thrive, as do all chameleons. Some on your list can be extremely difficult, no offence but I would suggest getting some experience under your belt with an easier species to start of with.
At the end of the day its your choice, and if the correct research is done and the conditions are correct then there is no reason why a species can not be kept with success.
Chameleons are a superb herp to keep and very rewarding, they are not easy though!
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Ailurus
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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well ok thanks rick.
i may have to go for a yemens then. however they require quite large vivs when adult don't they?
also all baby panthers i have seen seem to be REALLy expensive, like £200!! but i do really like them.
can anyone recommend some books?
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aidan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yemen's don't require that large Viv when adult 2x2x3 Viv's
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PaulG
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| Rickeezee wrote: |
I dont have a particular downer on WC or CF chams, after all new bloodlines are needed at times, but and this is a big but, If you do get a cham go for captive bred from a trusted source as has been mentioned already. |
thats what I was saying they are not suitable for first time keepers as in many cases they are not looked after well as the importers want to make the most possible money in most cases and do not care about the chameleons conditions as they are in it for a quick dollar.
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| Ailurus wrote: | well ok thanks rick.
i may have to go for a yemens then. however they require quite large vivs when adult don't they?
also all baby panthers i have seen seem to be REALLy expensive, like £200!! but i do really like them.
can anyone recommend some books? |
All depends what locale of panther, some start at approx £100 upwards to approx £500. All depends how rare the locale is. If you want to talk Panthers pm me 
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