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Ailurus
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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: 12 x 12 x 24 inch viv |
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right, you may remember that i had a few empty aquariums which i wanted to convert into arboreal vivariums. well with thanks to baloo and my dad we have managed to work out how do this, so i will hopefully, (if it doesnt cost too much, how much does glass cost?) have a viv measuring 12 x 12 x 24 inches (width x depth x height).
so i was just wondering what rhac species i could keep in there? i was thinking one or 2 gargoyles or one or 2 chahoua or one or 2 sarasinorum. would any of those be ok?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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glass is now expensive well not in Essex anyway
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Phil1988
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Glass isn't too expensive, just find a local glass place and they'll probably cut a couple of pieces for you. I'm sure there will be someone on here who can direct you to your nearest.
To be honest I don't know what you could keep in that tank  but I'm sure someone will be along to help. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | so i was just wondering what rhac species i could keep in there? i was thinking one or 2 gargoyles or one or 2 chahoua or one or 2 sarasinorum. would any of those be ok
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In a word .......No.
A pair of Gargoyles or Chahoua would need a 18 x 18 x 24
A pair of sarasinorum would need something slightly bigger IF you could find a pair and IF you could afford them.
The height is OK but 12 x 12 isnt much space for many species of geckos.
A pair or trio of one of the smaller Phelsumas or Mediterranean geckos would be ideal but nothing bigger.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: |
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completely agree with Serpent on this one mate, really dont seem enough space.
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Ailurus
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ok, thats a shame, i thought that would be the case anyway, i have decided to (when i have enough money) buy another exo terra and use that instead.
why would a pair of saras need a viv bigger than a pair of chahoua? i thought that they both attained the same size?
and to be honest a pair of saras is not too expensive and i could afford it, it would cost about £200 to £250 for 2 hatchlings (if you know where to get them), which is the same as a pair of chahoua.
thanks again
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | why would a pair of saras need a viv bigger than a pair of chahoua? i thought that they both attained the same size?
and to be honest a pair of saras is not too expensive and i could afford it, it would cost about £200 to £250 for 2 hatchlings (if you know where to get them), which is the same as a pair of chahoua.
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Just because 2 species are the same size doesnt mean that they will need the same size viv.
It seemed to me that someone who was converting an old glass aquarium and was worrying about the price of a few sheets of glass might have problems paying the prices of a pair of sarasinorum. I also notice that on your post about the smaller converted aquarium that you stated that you would have to save up for an Exo-Terra ...... which is not an expensive item by a long way.
Everyone likes to save money but skimping on the reptiles enclosure shouldnt be one of them, afterall that is where the reptile will spend the rest of its life.
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Tom,
I'll be honest here I've read your posts & I'm not critisizing you,
But... If your going to skimp on a setup for 2 potentially very expensive Gecko's your going to put there health/welfare in danger. 2 Sara's if you can even get a juvenile pair are going to cost you at least £300,Sara's can grow over 12 inches long nose to tail thats a big fast gecko thats going to need lots of room. That price would be from a private breeder.. I only know of 1 myself... Chahoua's will set you back around £200 per juvenile pair depending on who you buy them from.
If i was you I'd spend your money on a extra large exo terra viv & then suitably kit it out with stat & heating with UV as well. And then save up & get the gecko's.
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aidan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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well said. i did that with my chameleons and there enclosure is perfect and there has been no douts
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Ailurus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I'll be honest here I've read your posts & I'm not critisizing you,
But... If your going to skimp on a setup for 2 potentially very expensive Gecko's your going to put there health/welfare in danger. 2 Sara's if you can even get a juvenile pair are going to cost you at least £300,Sara's can grow over 12 inches long nose to tail thats a big fast gecko thats going to need lots of room. That price would be from a private breeder.. I only know of 1 myself... Chahoua's will set you back around £200 per juvenile pair depending on who you buy them from.
If i was you I'd spend your money on a extra large exo terra viv & then suitably kit it out with stat & heating with UV as well. And then save up & get the gecko's.
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ok thanks, that is what i was going to do anyway, i realised that the tank was much to small.
I understand that you are not criticising me, and i understand what you are saying about health/welfare but, i have to say that i have actually found sarasinorum for less than £300 for two, as i said before £200 to £250. And according to 'rhacodactylus: a complete guide to their selection and care' the maximum adult size is 5 inches SVL and 10.5 inches total length, not 12 inches, however i do understand your point and understand where you were coming from
| Quote: | It seemed to me that someone who was converting an old glass aquarium and was worrying about the price of a few sheets of glass might have problems paying the prices of a pair of sarasinorum. I also notice that on your post about the smaller converted aquarium that you stated that you would have to save up for an Exo-Terra ...... which is not an expensive item by a long way.
Everyone likes to save money but skimping on the reptiles enclosure shouldnt be one of them, afterall that is where the reptile will spend the rest of its life. |
i was not worried about the price of glass, i just did not now much about prices of glass, as i have bever brought glass before.
And just because i said 'save up for' an exo-terra, does not mean i think of it as expensive, it just means that currently i do not have enough money (i spent it all at the reptile fair and then on the rhac book by de vosjoli, fast and repashy), it would not take me that long to get enough money to get an exo-terra, in fact i could get one before the end of this month.
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according to a couple of care sheets i read on the internet, on a website of a breeder of saras and chahoua, the size that he would recommend for the mentioned species is 45 x 45 x 60 cm. Do you guys agree?[/quote]
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