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Young_Gun
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Eggman, why do you feed live?
Is it because they wont take anything else or because you want to? |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| SteveL wrote: | | andf poor ole lobbsters!!!! |
mmmmmm....lobsters 
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Scott W
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Live feeding is certainly a very emotional subject and is quite often not discussed on open forums or gets deleted quite quickly (hardly open forums then  ).
The RSPCA has successfully prosecuted a reptile keeper for offering a non feeding snake a live finch and I'm sure that IF they were able to gather some evidence that someone is live feeding rodents or birds they would try and prosecute them too.
The facts overall on live feeding are simple, Snakes have evolved over millions of years to be very efficient hunters and as such they can kill a rodent exceptionally fast and it's certainly not a messy slow death compared to chickens strung up and having their throats slit as they go round a conveyor belt etc
Yes there are dangers that a snake could be bitten by a rodent (this is most true of young weaner mice rather than rats or adult mice but the risk is there with any live food item). If a snake is offered live then it should be without question monitored and action taken depending on what is seen. Leaving live prey items with food and water in a viv will almost eliminate the risk especially if only left in with the snake for a max of 2 hours.
Live feeding is overall not a requirement for successful snake keeping but it is a necessary tool that may be needed at certain times and if done correctly stress and risks to both the snake and prey can be kept down to an absolute minimum.
Do I recomend live feeding? NO
Do I suggest live feeding if all other attempts have failed? YES
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Young_Gun
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The Eggman wrote: | I feed live to the animals that do best on live.
And by that I mean.
a) they wont eat anything else
b) they will only eat prekilled on an irregular basis
c) they will only eat prekilled on a regular basis but with large gaps in between
d) they are eating mice and i am switching them to rats
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For D why does it make a difference feeding live rats to get them to switch from mice?
Or were you feeding live mice first and are switching em to rats now?
I personally don't 'agree' with it unless for the reasons you stated, thats just me though and I don't think that because you do it your sick or whatever.
To be honest though I was being more nosey than anything just to see why you were feeding live.
Out of however many snakes you own how many feed on live and what are the sp?(Nosey again  ) |
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PaulG
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Just a question as I am on the fence about live food as allready said I feel it should be used only to get a snake feeding.
Eggman, do all of your hatchling royals get put on defrost before they are sold?
Paul
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PaulG
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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ok! good lol
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Snowy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| mike h wrote: |
1. A person commits an offence if he arranges an animal fight
Feeding a live rodent to save a snakes life is currently legal although the RSPCA already say they will prosecute anyone doing so on the grounds of "causing unnecessary suffering" to the rodent. |
Given the RSPCA are a charity organisation they have no powers to crimnally prosecute, they have to get the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) to bring the case. They also have no legal right of entry they need to get the police out and a court order if they wish to force entry. You can tell them to go aay if they ever knock at your door. It is a common misconception that they actually bring criminal prosectuions, they can like any of us mind you bring civil prosecutions.
Would they be able to convince the CPS for prosecution to happen? Well I would say that depends on the situation. Which is why I have said you must get back up from a recognised reptile vet.
| Scott W wrote: | Live feeding is overall not a requirement for successful snake keeping but it is a necessary tool that may be needed at certain times and if done correctly stress and risks to both the snake and prey can be kept down to an absolute minimum.
Do I recomend live feeding? NO
Do I suggest live feeding if all other attempts have failed? YES |
My sentiments exactly Wcott. We are lucky it is a rare occurance for anyone to actually have to feed live.
Snake keepers should always ask themselves (prospective as well as existing) a major question:Will I be able to feed live food if it became absolutely needed?
If the answer to that is no, then sorry it doesn't matter how long you have kept snakes you should simply give up the hobby and sell off your pets and move on. Pure and simple. It was a question I asked myself when I was thinking of getting snakes as all the animals we use as food items I have kept as pets throught my life. Notice I did say absolutely needed, we are not talking as a matter of course or fun after all.
Scott a question on the prosecution you mentioned: Did the person get a reptile vet to back them up and did they try it as a last resort? After all the RSPCA are known for their lack of knowledge about reptiles. I believe there were 20 cases were the head of one of our reptile groups was brought in as a witness were the RSPCA were trying to have them charged with cruelty and neglect. Of those 20 cases only 1 was infact a neglect/abuse case.
Don't get me wrong I respect the RSPCA with their work on animal welfare, they are good with the mammilian side of things. Though they should keep their nose out of the reptile side until they have gotten more experienced people or training involved for that side of things. I sometimes wonder if it would be better for the reptile organisations to get together and start thinking about setting up a reptile welfare charity to work hand in hand with the RSPCA.
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Young_Gun
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| Anyone know if I can keep 1.3 in a big mesh cage, it has three levels and is about 4fthighx2.4ftwidex3.5ft long. |
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Young_Gun
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| The Eggman wrote: | | lol, you could keep about 50 in something that big |
Want to give them a bit of room to move.
Think 50 would be a 'few' too many XD
The 1.3 would be fine for my needs, just wondered whether the seperate females might kill each others babies etc? |
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jamie_s
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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i find female rats to be good with each others babies,when i kept em before they used to just have a big pile and they would all nurse the babies together,the groups im breeding at the moment are just the same and in some boxes all three females have babies all at differant sizes but they are doing wickedly well.rats are cool
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