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[Rickeezee]

Re: previous post I meant to say at some point stress levels must reach an aceptable point, not cease to exist
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[varanus]

yeah well they have probobly more stress in the wild than is healthy for them but then in the wild they live less time if you keep them well in captivity then you can have the problems associated with gerriatric animals which in the wild wouldnt present as they would be long since eaten by somthing before these set in

This again is a sign to me that if kept well in terms of food water etc that the low level stress they suffer throughout there life is an acceptable amount or else surely it would overcome them and lead to an early demise ?
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[Peter Parrot]

Well of course, you`re right. I remember Gerald Durrel saying something along the lines of, "people say what an easy time of it animals have frollicking around in the wild without a care in the world. Well of course it`s a lot of nonsense. Being a wild animal is a tough job!"

If animals couldn`t cope with a CERTAIN amount of stress there wouldn`t be any animals.
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[Rickeezee]

Every living thing on the planet needs stress, it is how we survive without it all living things would have been wiped out long ago.

Look at nature how evolution has enabled animals to adapt certain defence mechanisims, as a small example, to survive. If they were not stressed by predators and the genetic urge to survive, they would not have evolved to survive by adaptation, even plants demonstrate such evolution.

Even mankind needs a certain level of stress, this is how we function and achieve higher things in life.

Ok, obviously, undue / high levels of stress over a long period are not healthy for plants, animals or people.

A very good point was made in previous post along the lines of:

Most captive housed / bred animals live longer than they do in the wild, they have less stress! No predators, no need to hunt for food, vets on demand etc. So we encounter old age related problems that are less likely to be encountered in the wild.


Dogs have not always been domestic animals, look at them now! Ok I am not advocating training your cham to fetch the newspaper or bite a postman! Or indeed comparing a cham to a dog that is by nature a pack animal, that lives well individually or with other dogs. Dogs will and do, impose / accept a heirachy amongst themsleves and with their human owners! Hierachies within the animal kingdoom are natural and in place to ensure survival. The male chameleon is a good example of this in action, he will see off rival males to ensure he can dominate the females and pass on his genes. Basic stuff but it happens.

Group housing is an interesting subject.



Rick
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