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Scott W
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| Rickeezee wrote: | | Scott W wrote: | well, when no one has replied inbetween posts it's obvious who you're talking too   |
Not necessarily, I may be replying to other posts in a delayed manner. Now grow up and stop spoiling the thread, if we just stick to the main topic of group housing without resorting to childish behaviour all we be well. Else it may get moved to heated and deleted. Anyway what have you got against quotes?  Have you any research to back up your views? May one post be housed with another? How about multiple posts? I think your just being argumentative because your bored? |
Rick, now come on....multiple quotes are just not right, I once saw two quotes posted very close together....they made a right mess!!!
Actually Rick, on reflection quoting isn't that bad......quote away You won this quote debate...I with draw my childish post and await my punishment  
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brittone05
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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hahahah - I come to the final conclusion you lot are totally bonkers!!!!
Definitely think that for fear of giggly fits and daft competitions at 3 in the morning that Scott and Rick shoudl definitely NOT be housed even close to each other |
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Rickeezee
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have just read Robs email post. Some extremely interesting points raised. Well worth bearing in mind. I would echo his point regarding each cham having a different personality I have seen this with many of my panthers even ones from the same clutch. Some are bold some shy some tamer than others.
With my baby chams I seperate them into smaller groups by size. The keep backs then move onto individual tanks, by this time the others have gone to other homes.
l will still continue to observe my group of yemens for any signs of trouble. This is the only group that I have so continued observation will be easy. The rest are all housed individually. I am however interested in a group of mellors and have been reading all the info on the Melleri discovery website as I know Kristina has had varying levels of success with mellor groups. Interesting stuff!
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Rickeezee
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott W wrote: | | Rickeezee wrote: | | Scott W wrote: | | well, when no one has replied inbetween posts it's obvious who you're talking too |
Not necessarily, I may be replying to other posts in a delayed manner. Now grow up and stop spoiling the thread, if we just stick to the main topic of group housing without resorting to childish behaviour all we be well. Else it may get moved to heated and deleted. Anyway what have you got against quotes? Have you any research to back up your views? May one post be housed with another? How about multiple posts? I think your just being argumentative because your bored? |
Rick, now come on....multiple quotes are just not right, I once saw two quotes posted very close together....they made a right mess!!!
Actually Rick, on reflection quoting isn't that bad......quote away You won this quote debate...I with draw my childish post and await my punishment |
Not at all, its not about winning, its about the debate and the learning curve. But most of all who can fit the most quotes into one post
Punishment hmmm 
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Xenopus
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Rob's reply :) |
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On another point, i also noted that someone on the forum said about seeing many hoehnelii in a hedge in kenya. This again is a classic misinterpretattion of what actually happens most of the time- taking a one off example and assuming this is how things are all the time. Sure you get boom times when the chams tolerate close proximity to eachother due to high levels of food and basking access, males alongside females alongside babies. But then something changes, whether it be the rains stop raining, or the temperature changes, and the chams are gone their separate ways again.
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This is me being referred to here - I'm not sure it was a complete misinterpretation but I see your point. However, the point I was trying to make was that if they exist so closely at certain times then perhaps they are ok doing so for longer periods. Afterall, everyday should be a 'boom' day for captive chameleons with adequate food, heating, foliage, etc! Thus, if you give them no reason to be agressive, I would have thought they would be less likely to be so. Of course, I fully acknowledge the point about rapid changes and it certainly does give one a lot to think about.
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brittone05
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Xenopus - not my words hun lol 
I owuld love to see chams in the wild myself - with my good old camera of course  |
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Scott W
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Rob's reply :) |
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| Xenopus wrote: | | brittone05 wrote: |
On another point, i also noted that someone on the forum said about seeing many hoehnelii in a hedge in kenya. This again is a classic misinterpretattion of what actually happens most of the time- taking a one off example and assuming this is how things are all the time. Sure you get boom times when the chams tolerate close proximity to eachother due to high levels of food and basking access, males alongside females alongside babies. But then something changes, whether it be the rains stop raining, or the temperature changes, and the chams are gone their separate ways again.
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Afterall, everyday should be a 'boom' day for captive chameleons with adequate food, heating, foliage, etc |
Yep, I was thinking along exactly the same lines.
Rob's reply to Brittone was very interesting, I think there's nothing there I can't disagree with. I also think until there is enough recorded data with yemen life spans and productivity (both captive & wild) then it's extremely hard to make any clear conclusions.
I highlighted my main observation about the breeding side of things due to the almost libelous remarks from a past thread on another forum about me "mass producing yemens purely for profit" (or along those lines). This was certainly not the case or the motives for group housing in the first place.
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Xenopus
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| I know they weren't your words, it's just how the quote came out! I'm not bothered in the slightest. I would love to be be able to go back at another time of the year and see what the little guys were up to so I could add extra evidence. |
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Xenopus
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Rob's reply :) |
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| Scott W wrote: |
Yep, I was thinking along exactly the same lines.
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Yes in many respects the way we keep our chams is in fact somewhat unnatural as everything is very constant and I am sure that affects the way the animals behave. I think we can all agree that our animals almost certainly display different behaviour to that in the wild. Animals become less shy of humans, or less agressive. I'd have thought captive lions are more passive than wild as they know they have a steady supply of food from their keepers so they don't need to going looking for it (or try to eat the keeper!). |
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johne.ev
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Great reply from Rob. thanks for posting it up brittone. has certainly made me think about what i would achieve from multiple housing.
cheers. |
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