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slippery42 · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Transport

Having discussed this with DEFRA (I own a business and sometimes do move herps more than 40 miles) its is not a clear as you state (CHris N).

I'm awaiting written confirmation from DEFRA but I feel it is far from clear cut.

Herps in transport are different to mammals and birds and I feel that the RSPCA would have a hard time in court.

you all probably know FAR FAR more about your own specialisty critters than the RSPCA will!!!!!

I'll keep you all updated
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Chris Newman · I'm new here... Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 19

Having discussed this with DEFRA (I own a business and sometimes do move herps more than 40 miles) its is not a clear as you state (CHris N).

Sorry but you are wrong, it is very clear cut. If you move ANY vertebrate animal for more than 40 miles for an ‘economic activity’ you are required to hold approved transporter status. Reptiles, as have fish, been given certain derogations from the regulations. Nevertheless ANY business is required to be registered by DEFRA as an approved transporter.

slippery42 · Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: transport

sorry Chris N I still do not agree that this is as clear cut as you make out.

I'll continue to do what I know is right!!!
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Chris Newman · I'm new here... Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 19

Sliperery42,

As you wish.

Chris Newman · I'm new here... Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 19

Jas,

As long as you use a courier that is registered i dont see why everyone will need to register as it is them that is transporting the animal not the breeder or shop.

You are quite right, as long as the courier company holds approved transporter authorization that is fine. However, if you say own a shop and decide to collect livestock from a wholesaler and they are 50 miles away then you would also need to hold approved transporter authorization! – it is a pile of pants but that is the new law.

The bottom line is that the new regulations are very easy for anyone in the reptile industry to comply with as we successfully argued for some sensible derogations for animals that are transported in closed containers, i.e. poly boxes. There is no requirement for driver training or inspections, you simply apply for transporter authorization and it’s free and lasts for 5 years. It is very clear that anyone in the reptile industry who transports reptiles for any distanced is required to be approved.

Where it is less clear is exactly how far this new regulation goes, as the term is ‘Economic Activity’ – what is an economic activity! Would an event, such as Hamm, be classed as an economic activity! My concerns are it could be! However, the good news is this is SVS legislation and they tend to be more sensible than other enforcement agencies.

arborealad · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject:

So basically that means if your going to make a monetary gain from an animal you cant transport it more than 40 miles without a liscence.......

How are they possibly going to enforce this rule though? Stop every car on the road and check for animals being transported, your destination and where youve come from!!

Even if caught you could make out your just popping the herps 5 miles down the road to a vet or similar.

Honestly what is the point of laws like this, that can and probably are going to be violated left, right and centre because it will be impossible to police them.
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Scott W · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject:

Jas · Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:22 am Post subject:

It would be easy for them to turn up at some of the few shows we have left here in the UK and ask each table where they have travelled from and to see there licences. It seems to me the law wasnt meant for us but because of the use of the word "Vertabrate" it does include us. But if like Chris has said, it doesnt sound like to much agro to apply. Has anyone on here got a licence yet?
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Scott W · Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:02 am Post subject:

personally I think it would be great if EVERY reptile keeper applied for a license...be funny to watch them cope Wink

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