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Madfrontosa
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Location: Fleetwood - Lancashire
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If you are going to keep some stunning animal you have the duty to do the very best in keping it in captivity all the best on your andevours - planning always rewards. I will be renovating my garage in a few months to house my growing clan. so far I am looking at a new anti condensation plastic coated roof, new electics and uprated household fusebox, insulation, double glazed door, and air con unit - a small price to keep excellent reptiles that has developed into a great hobby.
kind regards
John
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smileyculture
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Location: London
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: Re: .. |
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| Shawdow wrote: | Thank you everyone for the kind words. It will be nice once the cage is done. Many, many hours have gone into it. But It will be worth it in the end. Thanks again.
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I had 2 babies last year in the shop - grew like weeds and super smart animals.
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Shawdow
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Location: Florida
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: Nice |
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| Quote: | | o far I am looking at a new anti condensation plastic coated roof, new electics and uprated household fusebox, insulation, double glazed door, and air con unit - a small price to keep excellent reptiles that has developed into a great hobby. |
Sounds like quite the plan. Lots of work involved. But will be worth it. It is a small price to pay, but It has many advantages. I enjoy keeping varanids very much and devote many, many hours to them a week.
| Quote: | | grew like weeds and super smart animals. |
Indeed they do grow fast and are very intelligent. Mine is growing very nicely. Its amazing to watch it.
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Dan
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Very, VERY nice. I allways preferred the look of niles to croc monitors but lately they have been growing on me.
If you don't mind i have a few questions........
I see your viv size is 8x4x2, i was wondering how long you think that will last before you need to make it bigger again and what sort of size you are planning on keeping it in as an adult? When you make the next viv up will you be providing more height for them or are you planning to keep it as a more terrestrial animal? I only ask that as i was under the impression they are semi arboreal, even as adults.
It is generally noted that the larger snakes grow at a very rapid rate in the first 2 years, is this the same here and what sort of size is a good average for a yearling and 2 year old?
The last question i have at the moment is what sort of size are you looking at for adults as an average? There are plenty of places that can tell me how big they CAN get but allmost none that say what the norm is/
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Shawdow
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Location: Florida
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Huh? |
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| Quote: | | I see your viv size is 8x4x2 |
The size of the cage is quite larger then that. It is 8ft long X 6ft wide(or deep) X 6ft tall. The final cage, as it gets larger of course, will be 14ft long X 8ft wide X 8ft tall. There will be plenty of climbing oppurtunities within the cage.
| Quote: | | It is generally noted that the larger snakes grow at a very rapid rate in the first 2 years, is this the same here and what sort of size is a good average for a yearling and 2 year old? |
Im not to familiar with snakes, but I know most monitors will have massive growth spurts within there first year of life. I have a V. Albigularis that went from 12 inches in April, to 55-56 inches today. So that sort of growth rate is within less then a year. Im expecting the Salvadorii to be in the 7ft range, maybe a bit larger, within a couple years.
| Quote: | | The last question i have at the moment is what sort of size are you looking at for adults as an average? There are plenty of places that can tell me how big they CAN get but allmost none that say what the norm is/ |
If Im not mistaken, the largest V. Salvadorii, here in the states at least, is approximately 9ft long. There have been MANY claims of wild, outrageous 15ft Salvadorii seen, but there has been no evidence. Most of the time, its "Well, he got away before we could take pictures" -- or something of the sort. Only time will tell. Who knows, maybe my V. Salvadorii will grow to be that large, but I highly doubt it. I would say that the average size, here in captivity, would be around 7-8ft. There are a few people I know of that have Salvadorii within the 8ft range.
| Quote: | | Very, VERY nice. I allways preferred the look of niles to croc monitors but lately they have been growing on me |
Ahh come on, not to many varanids compare to the true beauty of V. Salvadorii, but thats just my opinion. Maybe its because I own one? Hahahahaha.
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Dan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply Adrian 
See, now thats more what i was thinking for a viv size. I just didnt want to say anything and offend/upset you I have noted that NERD keep theres in 10 feet long vivs, what size does Stan Chiras keep his in? I'm trying to get a feel for what is classed as "breeding stock" sizing and what is "pet" sizing.
In respect to the growth, that is what i was expecting although i was thinking a bit smaller but i was in the same region. Size wise, thats exactly what i meant. I know full well i could never house a 12-15 foot monster but something around 8 would be a more viable option. Especially when i consider the fact that for some reason you (as Americans) have larger animals than us in Europe, as a general rule.
When it comes to the beauty, i actually find them in the same category as monkey tailed skinks and others that are so ugly they are actually quite cute (bet you've never seen a skink and a croc monitor in the same sentence without feeding being mentioned before!! ). That said i would truly love to get a komodo instead but that aint gonna happen any time soon!!
In my current job and housing it would be unwise to get any but there are plans underway for me to look at getting some shortly, thanks for talking to me about them.
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Shawdow
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: .. |
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| Quote: | | Thanks for the reply Adrian |
Not a problem at all. Im glad that your taking an interest.
| Quote: | | I have noted that NERD keep theres in 10 feet long vivs, what size does Stan Chiras keep his in? |
I have not heard of NERD keeping Salvadorii. But I dont really care for them much either. As for Stan Chiras, Im not to sure what size cage he keeps his Salvadorii in. I just know he's had success with them. I just know, the bigger the better. That works well.
| Quote: | | Especially when i consider the fact that for some reason you (as Americans) have larger animals than us in Europe, as a general rule. |
Im not sure about that, as I dont have any contacts in Europe. Im sure there are quite the large specimen of varanids over there. I know full well we have some large varanids here as well, and I know full well that MANY large varanids fall into the hands of little children who think that the little lizard at the pet shop is cute and buys it. So not to many varanids here reach adult size, sadly enough.
| Quote: | | When it comes to the beauty, i actually find them in the same category as monkey tailed skinks and others that are so ugly they are actually quite cute (bet you've never seen a skink and a croc monitor in the same sentence without feeding being mentioned before!! |
Hahahahaha now thats funny. I sure have NOT ever heard those two animals mentioned in one sentence. Haha. Im sure many of us would love to own a Komodo, but when It comes down to it, I think it would be quite difficult to accomadate the needs of a komodo. (cage size, feeding, fecal clean up, ect ect...)
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Dan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Code: | Not a problem at all. Im glad that your taking an interest.
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It's the same old story for me, there are so few people in the UK and Europe that keep the animals i am interested in i end up looking to the states for people to talk to.
| Quote: | I have not heard of NERD keeping Salvadorii. But I dont really care for them much either. As for Stan Chiras, Im not to sure what size cage he keeps his Salvadorii in. I just know he's had success with them. I just know, the bigger the better. That works well.
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I like you more and more as this conversation goes on!! Out of interest do the babies enjoy loads of room aswell or do they get nervous like baby snakes (ie not feeding etc etc) I'd be looking to house them from babies in a 6x3x3 viv (2 retic vivs into one) in order to save myself some extra viv building if possible.
| Quote: | I know full well we have some large varanids here as well, and I know full well that MANY large varanids fall into the hands of little children who think that the little lizard at the pet shop is cute and buys it. So not to many varanids here reach adult size, sadly enough.
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I think it's fair to say that happens with all the bigger reptiles. When you look at the numbers of retics produced anually it must be in the thousands yet you only ever see a small handfull of these again. It does make me wonder what happens to them and sad that they never make to it adult hood. It's almost like natural selection, only on a more brutal and unforgiving kind of way.
| Quote: | Im sure many of us would love to own a Komodo, but when It comes down to it, I think it would be quite difficult to accomadate the needs of a komodo. (cage size, feeding, fecal clean up, ect ect...)
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I don't know i reckon there are a fair few people who would be willing to sacrifice a lot to have a komodo in there collection!!!!
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Shawdow
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: haha |
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| Quote: | It's the same old story for me, there are so few people in the UK and Europe that keep the animals i am interested in i end up looking to the states for people to talk to.
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There are quite a few reptile enthusiasts here in the states. Oddly enough, of all the people who own reptiles, I dont have any local friends who are into them. I just talk to a few select individuals on a daily basis through chats and such. Ive made quite a few friends that way, which is just fine.
| Quote: | | I like you more and more as this conversation goes on!! |
Hahaha thanks!
| Quote: | | Out of interest do the babies enjoy loads of room aswell or do they get nervous like baby snakes (ie not feeding etc etc) I'd be looking to house them from babies in a 6x3x3 viv (2 retic vivs into one) in order to save myself some extra viv building if possible. |
I would highly suggest you wouldnt put a baby in a cage of that size. To many variables that can happen. Im not saying that It couldnt happen without any problems, but I would use smaller cages for babies. 40 gallons, or 4x2x4 cages for babies. Having a smaller enviroment makes them feel more secure as opposed to such a large enclosure. Less stress involved, and a LOT easier on you as well. Im sure It would prove to be rather difficult to find a 10-12 inch lizard in a 6x3x3 cage. Hahaha.
| Quote: | | I think it's fair to say that happens with all the bigger reptiles. When you look at the numbers of retics produced anually it must be in the thousands yet you only ever see a small handfull of these again |
Im not to familiar with snakes, as I dont keep any, but Im sure its true. V. Exanthematicus, V. Niloticus, V. Albigularis, and V. Salvator are among the most widely imported varanids here into the US. I did a study on Exanthematicus and Niloticus, and the sum of both being imported into the US was in the hundred thousands each year. Its really sad. Rarely do you see them as adults either. Most die within there first year of life. People here in the US dont even bother to start up breeding projects with these due to the amount of imports that are brought in every year.
Cheers!
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Dan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I would highly suggest you wouldnt put a baby in a cage of that size. To many variables that can happen. Im not saying that It couldnt happen without any problems, but I would use smaller cages for babies. 40 gallons, or 4x2x4 cages for babies. Having a smaller enviroment makes them feel more secure as opposed to such a large enclosure. Less stress involved, and a LOT easier on you as well. Im sure It would prove to be rather difficult to find a 10-12 inch lizard in a 6x3x3 cage. Hahaha.
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LOL. I was a bit unclear in my intentions there. I am/was looking at housing a trio in that space. My plan would be to keep them together from that initial cage all the way through to adult hood, via the differing cage sizes.
What sort of feeding regime do you use for yours?
| Quote: | Im not to familiar with snakes, as I dont keep any, but Im sure its true. V. Exanthematicus, V. Niloticus, V. Albigularis, and V. Salvator are among the most widely imported varanids here into the US. I did a study on Exanthematicus and Niloticus, and the sum of both being imported into the US was in the hundred thousands each year. Its really sad. Rarely do you see them as adults either. Most die within there first year of life. People here in the US dont even bother to start up breeding projects with these due to the amount of imports that are brought in every year.
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It is the same with many species. The cost of importing wc animals is far cheaper than the cost of breeding so few bother.
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