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unusual1
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one | Scott W wrote: | | keza1287 wrote: | thanks for the help, i'll look in to people in the uk.
i am looking at putting in a big order but some people dont want to know unless your a shop etc.
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what do you consider a big order? (my last order was 75 morph snakes)
All I would suggest is FIRST contact any of the quality UK importers / Breeders (Darren @ CPR or even me  ) Give them the list of animals you want and see what price you can get. If you still think you would be better off importing, then make sure the breeder in the USA knows the amount you wish to spend |
Scott, as you know I have been breeding snakes for many years, near 30 infact, I know I can speak for many breeders who get a little upset to see all their hard work, years of bringing snakes up to breeding size and so on to find their goal to be one of the first to reach that morph under valued by importing, when I'm talking about under valued I'm talking about the work put in not cost.Many breeders including myself like to have a long term project, example would be a snow, breeding your two morphs together, keep the babies for 3 years, breed the back to each other, if your lucky you may produce a snow, but whats the point, by the time I can produce snows and sell a few someone imports 10 times more that I can produce.So my advice would be speak to a breeder rather than an importer first.
Scott, not attacking you in anyway, we get on fine, I realize that if it wasn't for imports some of us wouldn't have the collections we have now, just being honest about this and trying to find something to get excited about from a breeders point of view.You must of been there yourself at some point.
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Scott W
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Scott, as you know I have been breeding snakes for many years, near 30 infact, I know I can speak for many breeders who get a little upset to see all their hard work, years of bringing snakes up to breeding size and so on to find their goal to be one of the first to reach that morph under valued by importing, when I'm talking about under valued I'm talking about the work put in not cost.Many breeders including myself like to have a long term project, example would be a snow, breeding your two morphs together, keep the babies for 3 years, breed the back to each other, if your lucky you may produce a snow, but whats the point, by the time I can produce snows and sell a few someone imports 10 times more that I can produce.So my advice would be speak to a breeder rather than an importer first.
Scott, not attacking you in anyway, we get on fine, I realize that if it wasn't for imports some of us wouldn't have the collections we have now, just being honest about this and trying to find something to get excited about from a breeders point of view.You must of been there yourself at some point. |
I understand what your saying Pete but where do you draw the line, it's like saying no-one import the first albino as sooner or later one will crop up naturally in the UK, then we can all wait and have one. Also a breeder can hardly say they are the first if they are available to import to anyone.
With regards to long term projects, Yep totally understand but again if you think about all your long term projects...they all started from an imported source. Of course it's great to hatch something new, I love EVERY new head that hatches out my own clucthes...nothing compares to that, but if I didn't import then I certainly wouldn't have half the snakes I have and not at the quality I expect and want to work with.
The MAIN reason for importing personally for me is QUALITY, as you can see by who I import from ( www.ballpythons.ca ) Of course I could go down the much cheaper USA wholesale option and buy snakes that have already been sold a few times, mixed with countless 100's of other snakes before finally ending up as an untraceable (in terms of which breeder produced it), cheap USA import, but I strongly believe that quality is far far more important than price.
At the end of the day imports will always be available, Darren @ CPR first started it and full credit to him for basically introducing the masses in the UK to the ball python morphs.
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Scott W
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Actually Pete, one last thing, if we didn't import some of the new combination morphs (and instead waited for UK breeders to do it) then the UK will always be behind the USA on ALL morphs.
We NEED new combo's to be imported and we NEED some people brave enough to spend the 'big bucks' in buying them, only that way will the UK start to be able to claim some real 'first morph' breedings.
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unusual1
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| Scott W wrote: | | unusual1 wrote: |
Scott, as you know I have been breeding snakes for many years, near 30 infact, I know I can speak for many breeders who get a little upset to see all their hard work, years of bringing snakes up to breeding size and so on to find their goal to be one of the first to reach that morph under valued by importing, when I'm talking about under valued I'm talking about the work put in not cost.Many breeders including myself like to have a long term project, example would be a snow, breeding your two morphs together, keep the babies for 3 years, breed the back to each other, if your lucky you may produce a snow, but whats the point, by the time I can produce snows and sell a few someone imports 10 times more that I can produce.So my advice would be speak to a breeder rather than an importer first.
Scott, not attacking you in anyway, we get on fine, I realize that if it wasn't for imports some of us wouldn't have the collections we have now, just being honest about this and trying to find something to get excited about from a breeders point of view.You must of been there yourself at some point. |
I understand what your saying Pete but where do you draw the line, it's like saying no-one import the first albino as sooner or later one will crop up naturally in the UK, then we can all wait and have one. Also a breeder can hardly say they are the first if they are available to import to anyone.
With regards to long term projects, Yep totally understand but again if you think about all your long term projects...they all started from an imported source. Of course it's great to hatch something new, I love EVERY new head that hatches out my own clucthes...nothing compares to that, but if I didn't import then I certainly wouldn't have half the snakes I have and not at the quality I expect and want to work with.
The MAIN reason for importing personally for me is QUALITY, as you can see by who I import from ( www.ballpythons.ca ) Of course I could go down the much cheaper USA wholesale option and buy snakes that have already been sold a few times, mixed with countless 100's of other snakes before finally ending up as an untraceable (in terms of which breeder produced it), cheap USA import, but I strongly believe that quality is far far more important than price.
At the end of the day imports will always be available, Darren @ CPR first started it and full credit to him for basically introducing the masses in the UK to the ball python morphs. |
I do realize how import exports have been and still are, again from breeders point of view, depends on what it is, there are snakes that I may look forward to seeing, as you say, you just can't get them yet from UK breeders, but then there is the other type of importing where some of us put in the years to produce, lets say albinos then 2 or 3 people go and import loads of them even though there is UK bred ones.
But that's the way things are, always has been but increased in resent years due to the interest in balls.I do except that's the way things are, in the past I've never had to be concerned with this to much with the kings and milks.
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I didnt mean to upset any1, and i was thinking more along the lines of importing wc or ltc.
as for all of my morphs i have bought from uk breeders, (scott being one of them).
i am planning to go to hamm at some point but with a young child i find it hard to get the time to go.
i was only trying to find information on it, i have found a usa breeder that has some very interesting animals i may be interested in but as i said in my 1st post i am looking to buy for ME and NOT to sell on as soon as i have them in my hands.
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unusual1
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| Scott W wrote: | Actually Pete, one last thing, if we didn't import some of the new combination morphs (and instead waited for UK breeders to do it) then the UK will always be behind the USA on ALL morphs.
We NEED new combo's to be imported and we NEED some people brave enough to spend the 'big bucks' in buying them, only that way will the UK start to be able to claim some real 'first morph' breedings. |
I agree with what your saying Scott, I still think the UK is a long way behind the US, the gap has closed, but by the time the next new morphs are available you and would seem new to us they already have the next NEW morphs up to breeding size or near.
I haven't really seen anything new coming in outside the top ten morphs already available in the UK. Limited with some I know.
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| keza1287 wrote: | I didnt mean to upset any1, and i was thinking more along the lines of importing wc or ltc.
as for all of my morphs i have bought from uk breeders, (scott being one of them).
i am planning to go to hamm at some point but with a young child i find it hard to get the time to go.
i was only trying to find information on it, i have found a usa breeder that has some very interesting animals i may be interested in but as i said in my 1st post i am looking to buy for ME and NOT to sell on as soon as i have them in my hands.
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 you've not upset anyone...we like talking balls on this forum 
I'd be very careful importing WC of LTC, can be real hard work and they don't make good breeders overall (or take a long time to get there if they do)
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| keza1287 wrote: | I didnt mean to upset any1, and i was thinking more along the lines of importing wc or ltc.
as for all of my morphs i have bought from uk breeders, (scott being one of them).
i am planning to go to hamm at some point but with a young child i find it hard to get the time to go.
i was only trying to find information on it, i have found a usa breeder that has some very interesting animals i may be interested in but as i said in my 1st post i am looking to buy for ME and NOT to sell on as soon as i have them in my hands.
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I know you have started this thread for your own reasons and that's fine, but since we are on the subject of importing there are other aspects to discuss.Respect to you for trying to improve your collection, the subject of wc is another debate able subject.
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keza1287
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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i'm very interested in albino but as from a collectors point of view there are so many inbred albinos in the uk now causing problems feeding etc and i wanted fresh blood.
thats why ltc or wc.
and also i know that you can find people in africa with the morphs some of which are unusal, i know then i would have to prove it by breeding it. but its something im interested in.
what morphs i can get in the uk i will do so. it was just a thought but lesson learnt and i wont ask for help again. |
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