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Dan Captivebred Communist
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: Toad Toxin |
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Do all toads secrete toxins? Is that what makes them toads? _________________ TFA
The future is bright, the future is a net like pattern.................
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Rickeezee Site Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Most frogs and toads secrete various levels of toxins. Those kept in captivity do not tend to produce the same levels of toxins as in the wild. This may be due to a dietary deficiency when kept in captivity.
Toads often have puffy looking pockets called paratoid glands located behind the ear that squirt poison at potential predators.
Although frogs have poisonous skin glands, these toxins do not usually protect them from predatory mammals, birds, and snakes. Edible anurans have to rely on more than just poison glands which tend to work too late (i.e. after the predator has it in his mouth!)
Some of the differences between frogs n toads are listed below.
Frogs have:
smooth or slimy skin
strong, long legs
webbed hind feet
two bulging eyes
lay eggs in clusters
a group of frogs is called an
ARMY of frogs
Toads have:
warty and dry skin
stubby bodies with short hind legs
paratoid glands behind eyes
lay eggs in long chains
a group of toads is called a
KNOT of toads
The physical distinctions, however, can easily get blurred because sometimes the features appear mixed or less obvious, and certain species even legitimately fall into both categories. It is not uncommon, for example, to find a warty skinned frog that isn't a toad, or even a slimy toad! Even the more invisible stuff like cartilage structure has been found to sometimes fit both categories!
Hope the info helps. _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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tim_hamblin I've settled in...
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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The toxics in Fire-Bellied Toads (could be said to be frogs) are the subject of some scientific research due to its skin secretions containing multiple Insulin releasing peptides ...
Posion dart/arrow frogs are far more toxic in their native environment, due to their diet including fire ants... _________________ Tiger Salamanders (1.2)
Giant Fire-Bellied Toads (0.0.2)
Yellow-Bellied Toads (4.4)
Japanese Fire-Bellied Newts (1.1)
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Dan Captivebred Communist
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Cheers guys, so my next question is are there any toads (or frogs for that matter) that don't secrete nasties? _________________ TFA
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Rickeezee Site Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Good question have not got a clue .
My guess would be that to a greater or lesser degree they all secrete nasties!
Are you thinking of getting a frog then Dan or do you have some already?
Very good questions and it has me wondering what is behind your questions? _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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Dan Captivebred Communist
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Lets just say i was going to put this in the feeder forum initially _________________ TFA
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Rickeezee Site Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Dan wrote: | Lets just say i was going to put this in the feeder forum initially |
Ekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk your not thinking of feeding poor lil fredos to larger reps are you? You are arnt you!
Right frog police are on their way round! _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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Dan Captivebred Communist
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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The full deal is i am looking for Malaysian frogs/toads primarily, however any that don't secrete toxins will do.
They aren't to feed large snakes, ickle tiny ones infact. Just trying to find a nice broad spectrum of food to offer, variety is the spice of life and all that. _________________ TFA
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Rickeezee Site Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Dan wrote: |
The full deal is i am looking for Malaysian frogs/toads primarily, however any that don't secrete toxins will do.
They aren't to feed large snakes, ickle tiny ones infact. Just trying to find a nice broad spectrum of food to offer, variety is the spice of life and all that. |
Right I see, I take it you have a Malaysian snake and are wanting to replicate food that it would naturally feed on? _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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Pollywog Key Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | They aren't to feed large snakes, ickle tiny ones infact. |
There are sources of frozen frogs for this sort of use _________________ Andrew Tillson-Willis
Pollywog
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