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herplover212
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 Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: What do you make of this eye? |
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Hey guys,
Just wanted to see what you think of this eye. I have never seen one quite like it. These are my two youngest leos. A Las Vegas Patternless Albino and a Blazing Blizzard. (Lighting makes it look real dark, and the yellow shows up. In real life, the yellow is really not visible and the color is real light. Go Nikon! ha ha)
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beardie barmy
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wow Shanna they look top class  |
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emz
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| wow that's really unusual. is it a characteristic of the morph do you know...? |
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Matt Lusty
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Not being funny mate, but the Blazing Blizzard looks like it has normal coloured eyes. True Blazings have pink/red eyes.
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ssthisto
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I have to agree with Matt.
In order to be a blazing blizzard, it's got to be homozygous for albino - which does not produce dark black/grey eyes. The eyes would be pink, red or tan like the type of albino it is homozygous for.
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leogecko
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: |
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to me they look pretty pink mabye its the flash or something doing that
on the last 1 i mean. |
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herplover212
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Eclipse Blazing Blizzard ... not arguing anything. Just showing a pictures of a blazing blizzard with black eyes. If the eyes are solid black with no pupil visible, they are called an eclipse. Very neat leos.
I am not breeding leos, and not looking to argue what technical morph mine are. They are both males, both will be housed alone for life as pets and die living a nice, heathly and chubby life! I never get upset or take it personally if someone corrects my mistakes. I do rescue work, not high end morph research or breeding.
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ssthisto
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| herplover212 wrote: | | Eclipse Blazing Blizzard ... not arguing anything. Just showing a pictures of a blazing blizzard with black eyes. If the eyes are solid black with no pupil visible, they are called an eclipse. Very neat leos. |
The photo looks like a very nice, pale Eclipse Blizzard (no blazing) to me - not blazing, no matter how it's labeled on the sales sheet. I wouldn't believe that particular animal pictured was an albino unless it produced 100% albino babies when bred to LV albino males - and even then, that only confirms it carries LV Albino, not that it's homozygous.
A blazing blizzard by definition is albino+blizzard and CANNOT produce black pigment in the eye - unless Las Vegas albino works totally unlike any other albino, evidence for which I have not seen. A true eclipse blazing blizzard would have eyes like a RAPTOR - solid red.
Calling a black-eyed leopard gecko an albino doesn't make it one any more than calling a horse a chicken will make it lay eggs.
| Quote: | | I am not breeding leos, and not looking to argue what technical morph mine are. They are both males, both will be housed alone for life as pets and die living a nice, heathly and chubby life! I never get upset or take it personally if someone corrects my mistakes. I do rescue work, not high end morph research or breeding. |
They're both gorgeous geckos, and I'm glad they've got good homes. But I'd hate to see a nice enough looking blizzard get sold to someone for a blazing blizzard price because that someone doesn't know that blazing blizzards are blizzard+albino and physically cannot have black eyes.
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herplover212
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Calling a black-eyed leopard gecko an albino doesn't make it one any more than calling a horse a chicken will make it lay eggs. |
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| Quote: | | ... I'd hate to see a nice enough looking blizzard get sold to someone for a blazing blizzard price because that someone doesn't know that blazing blizzards are blizzard+albino and physically cannot have black eyes. |
And one wonders why people think some herp lovers are arrogant and some don't want to reach out and get into conversations.
I would be more then happy to carry on a conversation or debate .... even an argument ... if I was claiming something and arguing back. I didn't list a price I paid, I didn't say the guy I got it from charged me out the wha-zoo for this amazing and rare leo, and I never said I was right. I simply was asking advice, which leads back to the main reason of the post - which was my LVPA's eyes. I have since looked closer, read even more and talked to the guy I got them from. He told me the eyes looked pretty normal for a LVPA, but they were very nice, nonetheless. He did not claim the blizzard's were true blazing eclipse, etc. He said IF they were solid black, they were eclipse and very neat. He also said he hatches them out from time to time.
Man, I didn't know posting a pic would become a "peeing contest" for anyone.
Sorry I made mistake in identifying a leo I own.
| Quote: | | Just wanted to see what you think of this eye. I have never seen one quite like it. |
I came in here asking for opinions, not making claims. If I did identify the morph on the blizzard wrong, it is my fault and my fault only. I refuse to let any arrogance deface, in any way, a guy who has hundreds of leos, most high end/designer morphs. He has been the best to work with and is always on the other end of the phone or keyboard within minutes if I ever have any comments, questions or concerns.
I made the mistake and wasn't taken advantage of .... I am mature enough to admit that and apologize for it.
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| herplover212 wrote: | | Quote: | | Calling a black-eyed leopard gecko an albino doesn't make it one any more than calling a horse a chicken will make it lay eggs. |
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| Quote: | | ... I'd hate to see a nice enough looking blizzard get sold to someone for a blazing blizzard price because that someone doesn't know that blazing blizzards are blizzard+albino and physically cannot have black eyes. |
And one wonders why people think some herp lovers are arrogant and some don't want to reach out and get into conversations. |
I wasn't arguing that YOU were wrong - I was arguing that correct identification of morph/species at point of sale is important. I'm sorry if you believe that is arrogant. The 'calling a horse a chicken' quote was perhaps a bit over the top, but it was intended as a humourous comparison between two things which are equally absurd.
Blazing blizzards generally cost substantially more than blizzards (on the order of double, treble or more - I know what I paid for my blizzard het albino last year, and what it would have cost me to buy an actual blazing blizzard - both were three digits, but very different three digits!) and if someone sees that a black-eyed gecko is being labeled a 'blazing' blizzard, they might pay blazing blizzard price for it.... in which case, they are being cheated, whether or not you personally did pay BB price or were cheated.
Therefore, my post was specifically to point out to people who might not know that:
A. Albinos are incapable of producing black pigment.
B. Blazing Blizzards are homozygous albino as well as homozygous blizzard.
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C. A blazing blizzard, given that A and B are true, cannot have black eyes.
That is all I personally was trying to point out. That there is no such thing as a black-eyed animal who is genetically and phenomorphically albino; therefore, an animal that is defined as being homozygous for albino cannot have black eyes.
Of course, there is one exception I can think of - a 'paradox' or chimaeric/mosaic albino that is composed of cells from two separate embryos, one of whom is albino and one of whom is not - and who happened to have the visible non-albino-contributed cells occur ONLY in the eyes.
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