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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kelly- I'm going to give you a few home truth's now about what your precious RSPCA actually done for our reptiles and our other animals. I have to be careful for legal reasons because we are still fighting it out in the courts with our previous Landlord. They are not the hero's that you seem to think they are.

We had to move our entire Business from one premise to another in 1 day! At short notice!

We had to go to court to get an injunction out on our previous landlord in order to get to the animals. It took 4 days!

We had no access to them for 4 days! Can you imagine what that was like?

We could not enter our previous premise during this time. We called the RSPCA ourselves to help us to get to them as they needed water/food/heat!

He even turned off the electricity supply to the shop and still no-one helped us. We didn't know what we would find when we finally got back in the building. We were even amazed that any animals were still alive!

The RSPCA did nothing to help us get into the building to meet their needs. They have on record 30 phone calls during those few days from customers of ours who were trying to help us get into the building to look after them. No-one did anything! We have loyal customers who were as stressed out as we were over it all.

We had to deal with customers who were due to pick animals up that they had already put deposits on as Christmas presents! We refunded their money but still it was little consolation to them that they were not going to get their much wanted pet and the fact that it might even die after they had already chosen it!

The police informed us that we would be arrested if we tried to enter the building. The RSPCA said that the animals were a "Business Commodity" and would not get involved. What hero's they are!

It took a great deal of money and hours with an emergency solicitor and an emergency court hearing in order to get to them. This all happened right on top of Christmas. Solicitors offices were closed etc, it was complete mayhem! You have no idea what we went through trying to get to those animals. The distress it caused was uncomprehendable. As for Lisa that you seem to dislike so much she was crying non-stop for 4 days and was inconsolable!

Do not try and tell us we do not care about our animals when you no nothing of the true facts!

Yes we did lose some of our animals, did the RSPCA care..........no they did not! Some animals acquired health problems over the following weeks even after surviving.

You think you know all about us and our situation, when you actually know very little.

You think it's easy moving an entire shop in one day!?! You think that the RSPCA and others are queuing up to help you if you need it!?! Take off your rose coloured spectacles! This is the hard cold reality of things!

I really didn't want to put this on here but you are delusional about your precious RSPCA! All this is fact! It's all on record!

Sarah


thanks for that post Sarah, I totally believe you about the RSPCA, it's a shame that info like that doesn't reach it's hardcore supporters who hand over the millions in donations (I notice they have even duped Simon Cowell into their current ad campaign)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Lee & Scott.

Lee - We will take on board all that you have said. I'm afraid putting up notices was very low on our list of priorities. Your right in saying that it would have probably have helped though. Regular customers were very aware of our situation.

We have only 1/8 of our original Fish stock left. We practically gave them away. Fish are not moved from one place to another at short notice easily. Tanks need to be set up and left to settle etc. We had a fair number of large KOI that were worth between £500 - £1200 per fish! We had no where to put them. A fair number of large display tanks that could not be simply picked up and carried out. We had just 2-3 weeks to find a new premise and then 1 day in which to move everything out.

I shouldn't have to air our private Business problems on here like this. We have been pushed into a corner and if we try to ignore explaining certain things we are judged by people who don't know all the facts.

I refuse to listen to Kelly mentioning how her phone call to the RSPCA worked. The RSPCA are useless in some situations. We are very bitter about what happened and how they refused to help us when animals lives depended on them the most.

The other problems that have been mentioned that are separate from the change of premise issue are being sorted as quick as is humanly possible.

We will get the shop running to a high standard and are not ignoring advice being handed out.

I think we deserve a chance to get things in order. There is no evidence that we are simply neglecting things and refusing to put things right.

I think holding an open day in the future is a good idea too.

Sarah
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the RSPCA now seem to be less of an animal welfare charity and more of a campaigning political organisation aimed at pushing their (narrow) view of how humans should interact with animals.
And as Scott says, they are very good at it
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarah-

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Fact - Billericay Aquatics were not evicted from their previous business premise. They left of their own free will, although I can not go into detail due to ongoing legal matters.


Didnt you say in an earlier post that you left on your own free will?

Now you say that you had no choice but to leave and had to get out at a days notice. That sounds like eviction to me. Im not saying that It was your fault for being evicted or anything but why make it up?

I remember Lisa coming into my work place and telling heather and I all about your situation and that she couldnt get the animals out and nobody was helping you. Shes did seem bothered by the whole matter and I remember trying to comfort her by saying "theyll be ok, and theyre tough little animals and they have to put up with all sorts in the wild" Ya know just sympathising with her. I would have been a mental wreck if my babies were locked away somewhere where they wasnt getting the care I give them. No fresh water, poop all over their tanks, dirty substrate, skiney, lonely from no cuddles Sad

As for the RSPCA. Theyre crap!!I m sick of their lack of "I love animals and I want to help them attitude" that their advertisements and campaigns boast so much. I know theyre completely useless. Reptiles they dont have a clue about and want rid of the whole reptile trade altogether. I called the RSCPA on a guy who abused my little Jake (one legged beardie) and he wasnt punished and has got away scott free for what hes done to Jake. I would absolutely love to take justice in my own hands with a shovel and chainsaw preferably. But theyll act on cruelty cases for dogs or cats but not reptiles. bloody sick.

I felt the need to call the RSPCA in desparation for some of the animals you have ie female quadricornis, mellors, leopard geckos...ect. I personally didnt think they were in good condition. If they were not well, "holiday" animals, stressed out animals from the move they shouldnt have been up for sale or on public display really. But seeing as you had a day to sort them to your new premises that would have been acceptable for the time being as you said labelling wasnt your top priority. Thing is 2 months is plenty of time to sort animals out into the correct accomodation and with correct cage mates. so you have no excuse for that.


You seem to be making excuses for the physical health of some of your animals. First you say theyre all fine and you have healthy stock, then you say that some of your animals are brought in in that condition ie holiday animals and unwanted pets, now you say that some aquired health problems because of circumstances mentioned.

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Do not try and tell us we do not care about our animals when you no nothing of the true facts! As for Lisa that you seem to dislike so much she was crying non-stop for 4 days and was inconsolable


You say that you care about your animals then why are there beardies and iguanas mixed together, one of the species having to suffer an incorrect habitat. Why have you crammed leopard geckos into a tank to small to house them all humanely? I could nit pick all night about setups that werent correct and animals that look like they needed veterinary treament but not recieving it by the looks of things as they were still for sale.

Still waiting for piccys of boas, beardies, leopard geckos and mellors chameleons

Im glad that you are trying to put things right in order to make the lives better and more comfortable for the reptiles at your shop. For their sake take advice from people who have experience. When you feel that your shop is up to scratch thenI would certainly like to come to see it. I would like to post something nice about you next time.

Kelly
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kelly - Yes I said that we left of our own free will. That still stands as being the truth. We had decided we were going to move out due to the landlord making things difficult for us. For example suddenly deciding that no more than 2 customers were allowed to use the car park at any one time. Many, many other more serious problems too (nothing to do with financing, the rent where we are now is more than double what it was). He got nasty when he got wind that we were thinking of going. Which resulted in us having to get a temporary injunction put on him so he would leave us alone long enough to find somewhere else and get out before it was lifted. We needed a police escort many mornings just to get into the building. I haven't the time to write out complete essays on every little detail because you want everything explained so your imagination doesn't run wild.

Please read the announcement at the top of this section! It does ask you to only state fact not write what you think is fact. Your posts are full of presumptions.

Some animals on display are not always up for sale at that moment in time, yes I admit they were not labeled, our mistake. Its not an excuse.

I am not going to put up any more pictures just to satisfy you. You have been told by me and others that species have been separated.

With regards to you coming into our shop again at a later date I think that our answer would have to be to ask you to please stay well away.

If you wish to keep making more posts about demands for more pictures or want your specific questions answered please continue but I am no longer going to answer them. Enough is enough. This would go on forever if I keep on replying to you.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave my opinion of your shop thats all and you got ratty a

I the only things I presumed were the circumstances of your leave. I presumed you got kicked out because of lease prices doubling or your landlord got nasty and yourve just proved me right.Im only repeating what Lisa told me herself about you having to leave and leave the animals locked up for a few days.

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I am not going to put up any more pictures just to satisfy you. You have been told by me and others that species have been separated.


If your animals such as the leopard geckos, baby beardies, that cooks tree boa, mellors are healthy then what harm would putting piccys up of them do. Im not the only one whoes eager to see photos of the animals mentioned. We can only presume that they arent in good health and you have something to hide.

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With regards to you coming into our shop again at a later date I think that our answer would have to be to ask you to please stay well away.

Why got something to hide??? I might even buy something if everythings in good health and things are housed approriately unlike last time. Call it a second chance as a newly reformed shop.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread got very boring a long while back! In my opinion pretty fair explanations have been given regarding the amount of time the new business has been running and the difficulties involved with the hand over.

I really don`t think that it is worth dragging it on any further. Sarah has taken on board advice regarding substrates, species mixing etc. She has also agreed to an open day when things are running smoothly which I feel is fair enough. It`s all too easy to aportion blame in a situation like this (a changeover). I have never visited the premises concerned and do not know Sarah from Adam so my opinion has purely come about by reading the thread and the various accusations and responses.

I fully appreciate that seeing animals in poor condition can stimulate emotions. At this stage in the proceedings however I think that enough has been said and that we should perhaps review the situation in a Months time or whenever the open day that Sarah has agreed to is scheduled.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here here peter, but curiosity did get the better of me so i decided to have a drive and take a look for myself and to put it bluntly, i thought it was OK.

I am no expert on all reps but in general the overall condition of the vivs were petty good and substrate was clean and tidy with fresh food and water.

Just my views and though i would share but I am sure someone will shout me down Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here here peter, but curiosity did get the better of me so i decided to have a drive and take a look for myself and to put it bluntly, i thought it was OK.

I am no expert on all reps but in general the overall condition of the vivs were petty good and substrate was clean and tidy with fresh food and water.

Just my views and though i would share but I am sure someone will shout me down Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: billericy aquatics Reply with quote

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