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Siebren
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 Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: Tiliqua |
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I am not a real fan of morphs myself. But what amazed me in a Tiliqua-litter this year, I had a patternless youngster born. 
The entire litter is a madd ball of colors and markings, making me convinced the adult pair are indeed not pure bred T.s. intermedia as was once already suggested on this forum.
But for all morph-lovers out there. Let me know what you think of it....
Greetings from Holland,
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Thomas Shanta
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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I like it  |
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Dan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Can you post a pic of the parents, i think i prefer the "normal" ones
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Scott W
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Siebren,
I saw your advert and thought they looked very cool!
Dan,
Whose to say that in certain parts of it's natural range that pattern isn't the norm? I have an adder population near me that consists of mainly striped adders, these are the 'normal' ones to find and the zig-zag ones that are found in the area are not as common. These odd pattern / colour mutations are all part of natural selection, sometimes they have the advantage and become the 'norm' for that population other times they get picked off quick and are never seen again.
For some reason round here where I work there is a good population of melanistic deer, out of every 10 only 2 max will be 'normally' coloured, I have also noticed melanistic rabbits are starting to appear in larger numbers too.
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Dan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Scott W wrote: | Dan,
Whose to say that in certain parts of it's natural range that pattern isn't the norm? I have an adder population near me that consists of mainly striped adders, these are the 'normal' ones to find and the zig-zag ones that are found in the area are not as common. These odd pattern / colour mutations are all part of natural selection, sometimes they have the advantage and become the 'norm' for that population other times they get picked off quick and are never seen again.
For some reason round here where I work there is a good population of melanistic deer, out of every 10 only 2 max will be 'normally' coloured, I have also noticed melanistic rabbits are starting to appear in larger numbers too. |
Scott, there was a reason i didn't say normal but did say "normal" 
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Scott W
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I noticed... , but thought I'd post it anyway (for any other viewers  )
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Siebren
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Siebren,
I saw your advert and thought they looked very cool! |
Well Scott, they could be yours you know....
But to add to the "is this normal"-discussion; as said I have strong clues these animals (breeding pair) are actually hybrids. I conclude this by looking at the appearance of the other young, of which one actually looks very similar to the Irian Jaya form (T. s. ssp.). As this form is never officially described there is no proper scale count or anything that could confirm this... (If anyone has more information, please let me know)
The first picture shows the variance in the litter (not all the young are shown here)
The other picture shows the father of the litter (mistaken this animal for the mother last year, as neither lost much weight then  ).
Well, that's it for now.
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JStroud
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I quite like them, but as you say any genetic background would only be really found out with scale counts or dna testing.
Scott down here we have a large population of melanistic rabbits all around, always looks like someones pet has escaped
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Gazz
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Very nice well dad's a eastern bts-(Tiliqua scincoides scincoides) if you can show a picture of mum i'll tell you if i think the babys are pure easterns or hybrids. |
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