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geckomaster · Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: community set-up

Hi, i'm getting some chinese fire bellied newts and would like to know if there are any frogs with which they can be kept.They will be going in a 3 foot by 18inch tank a foot of which will be land and the water level will be at about 8 inch's. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Very Happy

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Peter Parrot · Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

Maybe some bombina orientalis. Rick has loads of babies at the mo too! Wink

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Pollywog · Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject:

Cynops orientalis are quite a 'nippy' species, if you try keeping any other species in with them you can expect them to loose digits, limbs or worse especially during feeding time. It's not worth the risk.
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Peter Parrot · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:22 am Post subject:

Maybe true but I kept ADULT bombina alongside japanese fire bellied newts in a four foot long tank for two years as a teenager and had not one problem. There were four toads and a pair of newts in there. The toads fed on land, and the newts under water. Not one accident as the two species were not conflicting at mealtimes, and the bombina were more than agile enough to get out of the lumbering newts way.

The water section had areas of both clear water and dense planting, and all was peaceful. Wink

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Pollywog · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:

still just because you got away with it for a while doesn't mean it's a good idea and that everybody else will have as much luck as you did - it's not worth the risk.
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Peter Parrot · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:26 am Post subject:

I didn`t get away with it for a while! They thrived like it for 2 years. Like I said, there were heavily planted sections, and areas of open water. The two species had no conflict at all, and if anything the newts were shy of the toads.
Also the tank was more than big enough for them to avoid one another. It made for a very interesting display. I mention it as it is first hand experience. I would definately do it again as there were no problems what so ever.

I don`t see it as a hard and fast rule about species mixing if the enclosure/caging is both big and suitable enough. Also if the animals do not even feed in the same areas and mediums, as was the case, then there is even less instance for any "conflict". The toads fed on land, the newts fed in the water. When the two did meet briefly, it was nearly always in the water section, and the much more vigorous and lively toads always caused the far less agile newts to back off. What is even more interesting is that the toads bred in this set up too. I was a teen ager at the time and only had room to take out some of the spawn to raise. The remaining tadpoles which hatched formed a welcome change to the newts diet with no ill effects either. Strangely enough though the newts seemed to ignore the toads spawn for some reason.

The animals that I did have problems with as a youngster in that direction were axolotyl`s. Again, as Andrew Pollywog states , the accidents were at feeding time. The animals in this case were a good deal larger than the largest cynops pyrroghaster that I have ever encountered, plus they were feeding together under water, an accident was bound to happen. It did on two occassions. Each time the affected digits regenerated which was amazing to see. Nothing like this ever happened with the Cynops and Bombina in two years of sharing a four foot long tank however.

People`s opinions or hopefully EXPERIENCES can vary. I will share my experiences on this forum like we all do, despite the slatings (and I am not saying that you are giving me a slating Andrew) that are often poured on people , especially on other forums but not so much this one, when someone speaks of successful experiences that tend to go against the "norm" or what the books say.

Whilst on the subject, how are your Fire belly toads doing Rick? Still breeding like wild fire? Have your yellow bellied toads settled in ok too mate?
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Rickeezee · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:38 am Post subject:

Hi Pete,

The FBT'S are still being very productive and the adults are being well fed ditto the toadlets and the tadpoles.

The Yellow bellied toads have settled in well and I now have tadpoles from them to Very Happy

They are not any of the sub speices either but the true Bombina variegata.

Interestingly enough I housed marbled newts in with my FBTS for quite a while and never had any problems at all, I know this is not recommended, but they used to huddle up together the toads and the newts that is. They climbed on each other never fought but fed separately. I do believe on the amphibian thread I posted some pics of this. Both speices seemed to tolerate each other extremely well, neither was big enough to eat the other, I think this has a lot to do with it to.
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Peter Parrot · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:47 am Post subject:

Good news about the Bombina variagata spawning Rick! Well done mate. Cool

I would say that you are definately developing cold blooded fingers rather than green ones! Laughing

Yes, I think with the mixing thing, community set ups can and do work if a little common sense is applied to it.

Not for everyone apparently but if one is practising something and it works for them, go for it I say. Wink

Yes I remember the pics that you refer to, on the Amphibian forum, the thread was called "meet the gang" if I remember rightly.
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Rickeezee · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:55 am Post subject:

Thats the one meet the gang! I am chuffed about the YBTS spawning as I have only had them for three weeks approx. House full of tadpoles now Laughing

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tim_hamblin · I've settled in... Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 39

I currently have YBTs and sharp-ribbed salamanders in the same tank...

The tank is 34"x14"21" and is 1/3 land 2/3 water (up to 4" deep). The YBTs have been successfully spawning (transferred to another tank - lots of tadpoles). The YBTs spend most their time in the shallow water and on land, whilst the salamanders live in the deeper water amongst the Elodia... YBts feast on crix and salamanders on tubifex/bloodworms.
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