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Stuart
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yes I remember the rat forum scenario very well... 
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Scott W
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My own view on the feeder issue is that if the species was bred for a food purpose, then I don't have an issue with it, it could be baby giant pandas fed to alligators or red eyed tree frogs fed to bats for all I care. What I don't agree with is taking vast numbers of animals out the wild purely for a food source, that includes fish for human food.
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Rickeezee
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Cod, try catching a line caught cod nowadays, not much hope! Hardly any about.
The big fishing boats that use hoover type methods for catching fish kill everything in their path including the sea bed. In turn this affects the whole food chain and ruins sea life.
Farmed fish is the way to go if it's on a commercial scale. Even Captain Birds Eye I believe now uses Hokey from I think New Zealand due to the lack of cod.
Bit off topic but sort of relevant.
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Pollywog
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If I were keeping and breeding a species such as Ceratophrys cornuta that are well known for the WC adults not accepting anything other than frogs then I wouldn't think twice about using them.
However if I think a species can be kept and bred just as well without feeding them then I would not use them, such as my earlier example Bufo marinus in the wild of Surinam are found living in caves feeding on lizards, this doesn't mean I am going to feed them lizards as they just don't need them.
I don't know the actual origin of the frozen frogs sold for food - I can only assume that the frogs are R.esculenta and are from a source breeding them for the French market of Frogs Legs, however they could quite easily be from one of the licensed field collectors that supply the Biological Research industry?
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Peter Parrot
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So does anybody know the source of these frozen froggies, rather than dangling the carrot! That`s what THIS forum is about. Sharing knowledge for the mutual benefit of all members.........
Thankyou 
Surely this will not spark the ethics of food sources debate YET again!
I am interested in all aspects of nature myself. Amphibians I find very interesting, as well as reptiles. That`s why I keep both. I have no problems with feeding anything to any other animal if it is either the natural and suitable diet or something as similar or close to it as possible.
I had no problems feeding rana temporaria (common frog) to my grass snakes as a child. Nor would I with feeding penguins to leopard seals nor slow worms to smooth snakes.
I enjoy watching the behaviour and life cycle of my locusts almost as much as what I feed them too, but I don`t think twice about feeding them to the various creatures that I do. Nor do I about mice, rats, frogs, lizards, snakes, giant pandas or certain people to be honest!
Let`s not lose sight of what this forum is about......
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Dan
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Peter, i don't honestly think anyone has lost sight of anything. We are all having a grown up debate, which is what sets this forum apart from ANY other i visit. Pollywog decided that he didn't agree with the frogs being sold as food items (his call) so didn't want to advertise this company. I can understand his reasoning, i really can. We worked something out where we were both happy and i now know what i needed to know yet the company has had no more publicity. He hasn't with held the information from someone that NEEDS to know so IMO has done the right thing.
| Pollywog wrote: | If I were keeping and breeding a species such as Ceratophrys cornuta that are well known for the WC adults not accepting anything other than frogs then I wouldn't think twice about using them.
However if I think a species can be kept and bred just as well without feeding them then I would not use them, such as my earlier example Bufo marinus in the wild of Surinam are found living in caves feeding on lizards, this doesn't mean I am going to feed them lizards as they just don't need them.
I don't know the actual origin of the frozen frogs sold for food - I can only assume that the frogs are R.esculenta and are from a source breeding them for the French market of Frogs Legs, however they could quite easily be from one of the licensed field collectors that supply the Biological Research industry? |
The reason i am looking for these frogs is for that entirely, i now keep a species of snake that only eats lizards and frogs, not one has ever eaten rodents without forcefeeding. I will be inquiring as to where these frogs originate as that will play a part in whether i use them or not.
Thanks
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Glad everone is happy!
Gotta dash, my pandas have defrosted!
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Peter Parrot
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Pollywog stated quite clearly at the end of his post he didn`t know the source.
My mistake
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Dan
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| Peter Parrot wrote: | Pollywog stated quite clearly at the end of his post he didn`t know the source.
My mistake |
Nothing to stop me asking the seller though 
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