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Bloodboy2000
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't even know it existed that's why i didn't go no and post. I not once had a problem as i haven't with Dan or anyone in the past, Ive met you once and you seemed a decent chap so why this now, i haven't even been posting that frequently recently.

Tom
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arborgoanna
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stormiemanda wrote:
i was only saying you dont have to jump down my fault but i still dont think its the owners fault if they get bit


So if it isn't the keeper's fault, and is unavoidable, then please explain how a Blue Tongued Skink can bite you, as in what circumstances would lead to you getting bitten by such a skink(much less a monitor) without it being your own fault or carelessness?

Curious minds would like to know.

I am not trying to start any fights or violent arguments with this side topic (and I apologize for it straying away from the original topic of the post), I have yet to see any rational or logical explanation which disproves what I have said, in that all bites are due to carelessness by the keeper. Nobody has come forth and offered any situations or occurrences where bites have occurred that could not have been prevented in one way or another.
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arborgoanna
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an correction/addendum to what I have just posted, when talking about unavoidable bites, I do have two experiences of such, in fact these are the only two bites I've ever sustained from monitor lizards.

One bite occurred in my residence, when a female Varanus beccarii escaped from her quarantine enclosure, and was about to enter the furnace room, where there are many holes in the walls, cracks, and crevices she could have gotten into (where I would never have found her again). I dove and grabbed her with my bare hands just before she entered the room. In doing so, I did not get a sufficient grip on her, I believe I got just her tail; and she turned around and latched onto my hand. In such a an instance, where there was no time to find any gloves, I consider this bite to have been unavoidable, given the circumstances.

The other bite I sustained was very similar in its delivery, and occurred while I was working as a keeper at a now-defunct herpetological institution/attraction. We had an adult female V. melinus which was being housed off exhibit in a temporary quarantine enclosure, while it was being administered antibiotics. One of the other keepers left the door unlocked earlier that morning, and when I entered the quarantine room later that afternoon, I found her up on top of the fluorescent lighting fixture on the ceiling, inches away from an air conditioning/heating duct that was not covered with its grating. Fearing she would get into the duct work (which she eventually ended up doing weeks later), I stood on a wobbly chair and grabbed her with my bare hands (again, no time to find a pair of gloves), and she turned around and bit on to the outer part of my wrist.

In both of these cases, bites ensued when I grabbed the monitor, preventing its escape, and possible death- had they gotten into the walls/duct work. These events did not involve hand feeding, or handling/petting, or invading an animal's personal space/territory. While bites like these certainly do occur, I do not think that this type of bite constitutes any substantial proportion of the bites inflicted on keepers in captivity. Bites in captivity usually involve the latter (handling, hand feeding, or invading personal space).

Bob
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